Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I think it is encumbent upon those of us who have already served to speak up for those soldiers/Marines who cannot...
Trust me when I say, I do not take desertion lightly. It breaks everything down. The disgrace falls on the entire service and those who lead it...
Agreed completely. You have pointed out correctly that desertions highlight just how dispicable certain aspects of this war are. That consideration is
exactly why I would support the otherwise unthinkable idea of units commiting mutiny. As long as it stop a wrong from being committed, I see the value
It's hard for me, just as I oppose this whole thing, to not go back in. I can't help but think about how my experience might help new
recruits in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I think I know how you feel. I ended up out because I was injured, but from time to time I get the idea that hey, if I took a butt-load of pain
killers maybe I could pull my weight. Of course I'm cured of that illusion every time I try to excercise with more than my bodyweight.
We actually saw that awhile back. Remember the unit out of Rock Hill, SC who refused to go out and run fuel? It was too dangerous and the fuel
was bad. The Army was gonna burn 'em till the media got a hold of it. That stopped Uncle Sam his tracks.
I can't even being to imagine what the hell the Army was thinking with that mission. It's embarrassing how many times the pentagon has been caught
under-supporting our troops, and everytime it happens I remember that Rumsfeld originally thought 50,000 troops were enough. I keep thinking "get in
or get out"... now gee, why does that sound so dang familiar?
We need to train those Iraqi troops at a cyclic rate and get the hell out ASAP so
they can sink or swim on their own sooner rather than later. The resistance never stops- Vietnam should have taught us that- so we need to take the
fastest road to the final chapter so that we can pull out and let the friendly government control its own destiny for better or worse. Then we can get
on to the aftermath part where America gets rightfully gun-shy about war.
It's gonna take that en masse. And we the people are gonna have to be loud about it. This administration doesn't give a rat's A double S
what we think. Remember the massive protests b4 the war? It was unprecedented.
Protests are one thing, disobedience is another. If it comes down to the government versus the vast indisputable majority of Americans then it might
take a hollow-point impeachment, but disobedience, civil or otherwise is what its going to take, because you're dead right about the protests being
LET ME STRESS that I do not condone violence in any case except if a government should be unquestionably operating outside the bounds of the
Constitution and showing no signs of submission to the peaceful will of the people. So please, no warnings and no trips to Camp X-Ray for me.
The way Rummy's Pentagon is treating our military, in this regard, is obscene. It's the only way they can deal without having to come out and
say we need to start a draft. Isn't that sweet? The very people who are giving their all - plus - are the ones getting screwed the
That's exactly my opinion of the stoploss policy. What they are doing is wrongfully exploiting emergency provisions of the enlistment contract not
because of an emergency but because the war could not be carried out within the confines of the constitution otherwise (because it would require a
draft and the consideration of a possible draft would preclude any chance of war being declared). Rummy is circumventing the congress, no two ways
I believe it was Heinlin, writer of Starship Troopers, which was once on the reading list for enlisted Marines, who said "If a government's own
citizens won't volunteer to fight for it, let the thing die". I couldn't say it any better. If a war can't be fought with volunteers then it
can't be fought by a democracy.