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Kremlin officials crated the alt-right and hold facist paramilitary training camps for US terrorism

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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

The nazis don't know.

Have you heard of the Arab spring? Do you think we went in with American flags when we funded the rebel groups, or did it subversive?




posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: bastion

Don't suppose you've got a link to this expose?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Tulpa

Soros is just a boogeyman. There are many like him on both sides of the aisle.

The guy isn't as powerful as people think.


He's the go-to guy, though. Everyone knows him so the others get to stay in his shadow. Its the new game isn't it...

Nation = Bad
Global = Good

Colour revolutions. I think Hillary was going to be purple but can't remember where I picked that up.
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Ohanka

The nazis don't know.

Have you heard of the Arab spring? Do you think we went in with American flags when we funded the rebel groups, or did it subversive?


Well Nazis aren't very smart that's for sure.

There also aren't that many of them around.

I don't know why Russia would want Nazis to take over one of the few countries that can rival them, knowing that the Nazis quite explicitly want every Russian exterminated.

Seems quite a ridiculous proposition.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Ohanka

The nazis don't know.

Have you heard of the Arab spring? Do you think we went in with American flags when we funded the rebel groups, or did it subversive?


Well Nazis aren't very smart that's for sure.

There also aren't that many of them around.

I don't know why Russia would want Nazis to take over one of the few countries that can rival them, knowing that the Nazis quite explicitly want every Russian exterminated.

Seems quite a ridiculous proposition.


They don't want to. They want to destabilize the US and create public fighting and strife. They don't want the nazis to win. They want then to stir the pot do they can do there thing while no one is looking.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:36 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

With weaponised media, you don't need many.

Oh my god!!!! They're everywhere!!!



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: Tulpa

PRETTY smart for a thought form...


Everybody KNOWS Soros is the bag man for all this.
America can't be seen as murderous assassins ...I MEAN yes we DO IT ,but we cover it all up and Soros is a tad public.
The SAS is best with wet work world wide because of their "D" notice, MAYBE Putin will save Europe with Spetz boys.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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I think Scott Foval and Robert Creamer have been training them and Antifa.

They lost their former jobs and had to make ends meet.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

Its just conjecture on my part.
"Someone" is definitely engineering changes on a very large scale.
It may turn out to originate in a completely unknown source but its not doing any of us any good.
What's happening now is intended to come to some kind of fruition many, many years in the future. We are expendable.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Ohanka

The nazis don't know.

Have you heard of the Arab spring? Do you think we went in with American flags when we funded the rebel groups, or did it subversive?


Well Nazis aren't very smart that's for sure.

There also aren't that many of them around.

I don't know why Russia would want Nazis to take over one of the few countries that can rival them, knowing that the Nazis quite explicitly want every Russian exterminated.

Seems quite a ridiculous proposition.


They don't want to. They want to destabilize the US and create public fighting and strife. They don't want the nazis to win. They want then to stir the pot do they can do there thing while no one is looking.


Seems If they wanted to do that all they'd need to do was look into already fairly widespread political movements with a tendency towards violence that are already active.

Instead of resurrecting up a long dead enemy.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

Is it working?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: bastion

Where in your OP is there anything about US citizens being trained in Russia? Not sure if it's my reading comprehension, but isn't your entire OP about Russian propagandizing? You say no one here is talking about it, but there is at least 100 previous OP's about that very subject and has been debated quite heatedly.


Sorry I pressed enter by accident ----- whole point of thread is to avoid arguement and have civil discusion for once as It's intended to show how the left right violence is only 10% of what's really going on with Dezinformatsiya

Precis is

5000 of the neo-nazis in Europe are being trained by Russia to create a fourth reich in Europe
They're planning to yuse trucks full of nai bombs to attack countries
Several have already occured in recent years but a declaration of war was issued a few weeks back
They're planning attacks in the US - www.telegraph.co.uk...
www.dailystar.co.uk...
observer.com...
euromaidanpress.com...
rusi.org...
www.independent.co.uk... 1.html
20committee.com...
dninews.com...

Many of these people trained by the Kremlin and are active in the us accord to fbi. cia, nsa recent terror report.

www.independent.co.uk... 8066.html



I'll flesh it all out so it makes sense,


observer.com...

But like you state it will probably only decend into pointless argument rather than discussion about fousing on not being victims to it than it's probably a waste of time (not crisizing you, just hoped for once an adult discussion on the matter could occur given the severity of te situation)



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

They have to counter vets ,hunters ,and the far more capable armed right.
It must be a paper fight or they get their collective asses handed to them one way or another, without the tender kindness of law enforcement...



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: cavtrooper7

Its just conjecture on my part.
"Someone" is definitely engineering changes on a very large scale.
It may turn out to originate in a completely unknown source but its not doing any of us any good.
What's happening now is intended to come to some kind of fruition many, many years in the future. We are expendable.


Just like anything.....follow the money trail. I'll be curious as to where it leads.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: bastion

Don't suppose you've got a link to this expose?


It's on terror threat level four in the US at the moment - had the paper the other day - will dig it out. Its by no means my own expose though, it's been public for three years or so in intel warnings and investigative journalism. This is just a synopsis of the topic in the hope people don't fall for the trap that's so apparent on this board.
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It's not Kremlin officials actively training or recruiting, they're just present at the training camps the russian generals from a wing are recruiting in Europe, which has since moved over to the US.

The UN, FBI, CIA, MI6, German Intel etc...have all warned of it and it's all outlined in the handbook given to Russian Generals as required reading.

Feel free to close the thread until I flesh it out with full sources etc... as honestly didn't mean to post it that quick as still have several dozen more sources and official, reliable source links to show and this subject deserves proper sourcing as so many are blind to it.
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: bastion

It would be nice to see some links or documentation.

While this is something that would not surprise me...a bit more corroboration would be helpful in a post such as this.


Agreed have it all over a few years research - brilliant overview in the books of dulgin,

observer.com...

Richard Spencer and His Kook-Right Ilk Are Agents of Russian Influence
Kremlin intelligence is manipulating the far-right. It’s time to push back.

Former NSA advisor

Here's a brief video on how non-linear warfare is being used on the US to break the country apart on both sides.

www.youtube.com...
**New Adam Curtis Film** ripped from Charlie Brooker's 2014 wipe documents Putin’s adviser Vladislav Surkov Nonlinear warfare - A new system of political control.

Vladislav Surkov is quite possibly the most fascinating, powerful and mysterious figure in the world today - anything on him is guaranteed to be a fantastic read.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
Must all be "according to sources familiar with the narrative" eh.



How can I verify the "sources" ?



Some results are publicdomain now:

Hee's the Russian training site - www.ruspartizan.com... the camps (training/recruitment films on youtube)

www.telegraph.co.uk... ETA: UK Daily Telegraph staff do have more than one MI6 agent in the newsroom (it's the best place for good journalism - but be wary of anything titled 'telegraph reporter' as the journalist and a couple of other names as it's probably disinfo)


It is “highly likely” Russia will try to influence European elections “as it did in the US”, the source said.

The number one target is Angela Merkel, who has been subjected to a “bombardment” of fake news over her refugee policy and support for economic sanctions against Russia.

Disinformation is “part of state policy” and a “military tool” for the Kremlin”.

A report by US intelligence agencies earlier this month found that Vladimir Putin personally “ordered an influence campaign aimed at the presidential election”.

www.theguardian.com...



Disinformation is “part of state policy” and a “military tool” for the Kremlin”.

A report by US intelligence agencies earlier this month found that Vladimir Putin personally “ordered an influence campaign aimed at the presidential election”.


he pro-Kremlin ultranationalist outfit Stiag, or Flag, has had a bunch of people from the Slovak Revival Movement attend its military training courses. (Slovak Revival is a small-time neo-fascist cultural organization that has recently experienced such a surge in popularity that its leaders decided to register it as a political party). And even more bizarrely, 76-year-old István Győrkös, the ex-leader of the Hungarian National Front, who is now sitting in jail after killing a police officer last year, used to stage mock combat exercises with Russian intelligence officers in the forest near his home.



“There is no doubt that the pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign is an orchestrated strategy,” the task force, which is part of the European External Action Service (EEAS), the EU’s diplomatic service, says on its website.

“The aim of this disinformation campaign is to weaken and destabilise the West, by exploiting existing divisions or creating artificial new ones.

“Often, outright lies are deployed, aimed at denigrating a particular person, political group or government.

“Another strategy is to spread as many conflicting messages as possible, in order to persuade the audience that there are so many versions of events that it is impossible to find the truth.”


Well Vladamyr Zircov did admit he did it. www.realclearpolitics.com...

Surkov is one of President Putin's advisers, and has helped him maintain his power for 15 years, but he has done it in a very new way.

He came originally from the avant-garde art world, and those who have studied his career, say that what Surkov has done, is to import ideas from conceptual art into the very heart of politics.

His aim is to undermine peoples' perceptions of the world, so they never know what is really happening.

Surkov turned Russian politics into a bewildering, constantly changing piece of theater. He sponsored all kinds of groups, from neo-Nazi skinheads to liberal human rights groups. He even backed parties that were opposed to President Putin.

But the key thing was, that Surkov then let it be known that this was what he was doing, which meant that no one was sure what was real or fake. As one journalist put it: "It is a strategy of power that keeps any opposition constantly confused."

A ceaseless shape-shifting that is unstoppable because it is undefinable. It is exactly what Surkov is alleged to have done in the Ukraine this year. In typical fashion, as the war began, Surkov published a short story about something he called non-linear war. A war where you never know what the enemy are really up to, or even who they are. The underlying aim, Surkov says, is not to win the war, but to use the conflict to create a constant state of destabilized perception, in order to manage and control.

But maybe, we have something similar emerging here in Britain. Everything we're told by journalists and politicians is confusing and contradictory. Of course, there is no Mr. Surkov in charge, but it is an odd, non-linear world that plays into the hands of those in power.

British troops have come home from Afghanistan, but nobody seems to know whether it was a victory or whether it was a defeat.

Aging disk jockeys are prosecuted for crimes they committed decades ago, while practically no one in the City of London is prosecuted for the endless financial crimes that have been revealed there.

In Syria, we are told that President Assad is the evil enemy, but then his enemies turn out to be even more evil than him, so we bomb them, and by doing that, we help keep Assad in power.

But the real epicenter of this non-linear world is the economy, and the closest we have to our own shape-shifting post-modern politician is [U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer] George Osborne.

He tells us proudly that the economy is growing, but at the same time, wages are going down.

He says he is reducing the deficit, but then it is revealed that the deficit is going up.

But the dark heart of this shape-shifting world is Quantitative Easing. The government is insisting on taking billions of Pounds out of the economy through its austerity program, yet at the very same time it is pumping billion of Pounds into the economy through Quantitative Easing, the equivalent of 24,000 Pounds for every family in Britain.

But it gets even more confusing, because the Bank of England has admitted that those billions of Pounds are not going where they are supposed to. A vast majority of that money has actually found its way into the hands of the wealthiest five percent in Britain. It has been described as the biggest transfer of wealth to the rich in recent documented history.

It could be a huge scandal, comparable to the greedy oligarchs in Russia. A ruthless elite, siphoning off billions in public money. But nobody seems to know.

It sums up the strange mood of our time, where nothing really makes any coherent sense. We live with a constant vaudeville of contradictory stories that makes it impossible for any real opposition to emerge, because they can't counter it with any coherent narrative of their own.

And it means that we as individuals become ever more powerless, unable to challenge anything, because we live a state of confusion and uncertainty. To which the response is: Oh dear. But that is what they want you to say.

So hopefully you understand how journalism works now
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: bastion

Are you REALLY blaming this on Russia? Hillary is that you?
Maybe you are Lynch?


Re-read the thread - Obama and Hillary and Dems also fell for it as did Trump and his supporters.

Did you read the OP? I posted about that here -

Russia’s legions of highly paid Washington lobbyists. The PR firm Ketchum represented the country for nine years, until 2015, and collected more than $60 million, according to federal lobbying disclosures, to advocate for and guide Russia through the capital. Its high-profile public victories were few, with the highlight being a September 11, 2013, op-ed in The New York Times by Vladimir Putin in which the Russian leader criticized American exceptionalism.

No interest in some left vs right pointless arguement or fake news claims - just an adult discussioin of the problems and come up with solutions to their strategy - which the Russians have made public for 15 years.
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 05:08 PM
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All that typing and not a single shred of evidence.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
All that typing and not a single shred of evidence.


I clicked post thread by accident but posted 21 sources of evidence in the last few pages ranging from intel reports, terror thats, source material, admission by those responsible, compas found in germany, and a few US intelligence reports. - direct sources, direct, evidence, direct proof...but still more to post.

It's highly essential reading from actual named sources, videos of the training camps and dozens of subjject overviews that link back to original sources(as ethical journalism must).

Why not read them while I type up the rest.
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