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Crosby, Texas, Chemical Plant Explodes Twice, Arkema Group Says

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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: FyreByrd

more bs opinion put forward to further a bs agenda
try looking into what a tri report or a tier Ii report is
google search lepc rmp and psm see what that gets you

and that laughable article makes the hurricane out to be a "predictable" storm
it was a once in a lifetime event that produced more rain than any storm IN RECORDED HISTORY

more lies


More lies? Really - just what are lies?

First - it's not an opinion piece, it's presenting verifiable facts of the state of Law in Texas.
Two - This is not a 'once in a lifetime event', factually there have been '500 storms' in 2017, 2016, and 2015 in Houston - you must have a very short lifespan. (www.washingtonpost.com... e3dea6f529)

Three - Please learn to write in a somewhat understandable manner if you wish to communicate more then your 'distain' for facts and figures, it will at lease make you look as though you have something useful to say.
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

the article you posted was some hilljacks opinion of what someone else wrote

the storm in question dumped record rain for a storm in north america
your author called the storm predictable
total bs

it is nothing more than a bs activist piece

using a disaster to further political agenda is disgusting



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: shooterbrody


Still think that the plant manager carries some responsibility for not burning off the chemical when they had the chance.


Looking at the list, I would guess that the problem is cumene hydroperoxide. One does not "burn off" this compound, or any peroxide or hydroperoxide for that matter. These compounds are thermally sensitive and explosive when heated.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 08:03 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: FyreByrd

more bs opinion put forward to further a bs agenda
try looking into what a tri report or a tier Ii report is
google search lepc rmp and psm see what that gets you

and that laughable article makes the hurricane out to be a "predictable" storm
it was a once in a lifetime event that produced more rain than any storm IN RECORDED HISTORY

more lies


I truly appreciate your effort at trying to get the truth to everyone but I really gave up on this yesterday trying to stop the false info on the situation here. People only seem to want dooooooom! and cannot seem to comprehend truth if it isn't doom filled. No wonder the rule is "if it bleeds it leads".



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: TXTriker

these uneducated people have no idea what a black sitution means
they have no idea what a rmp is
i guess they expect emergency generators to be built on a 10ft concrete pad
cause you know 51 in of rain falls all the time



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 08:14 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TXTriker
a reply to: slapjacks

According to the sheriff on this morning's news it was not an explosion - they pointed that out several times. There were a couple of "pops" but no explosion.


They expected the explosion(s) to be a lot larger, and warn the threat is not over. Because primary power is off, the refrigeration of certain tanks of volatile chemicals is discontinued.

The opening (bursting) of these tanks to the atmosphere means these volatiles will be boiling off, sending vapor plumes down wind.

Not enough peoples lives have been battered by hurricane force winds, drowned by torrential rain and washed away by still rising flood waters, now they get to shelter in place, breathing poisonous fumes.


The containers are equipped with pressure relief valves. Those are to relieve pressure so the canister does not explode. Yes once exposed there is a potential for a small explosion and fire but not the doom all of you are trying to wish on us.

Most of the area had been evacuated due to flood waters so not a lot people are sheltering place. Trust me, people around those plants understand how to shelter in place. It means closing the windows and vents and turning off the AC so there is no air exchange with the outside. They moved to the area knowing the plant was there and what to do in these types of situations.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: TXTriker

these uneducated people have no idea what a black sitution means
they have no idea what a rmp is
i guess they expect emergency generators to be built on a 10ft concrete pad
cause you know 51 in of rain falls all the time


It has been very frustrating to deal with all the ignorant stuff being put out there on the internet and hell even here where we are on the ground. Thank God most of us can try to ignore. Some of it just has to be responded to and I am battling hard to not get banned by saying what I would like to say.

All of my clients are energy, chemical or petrochem plants and the regulations are unbelievable but no one wants to hear that. That might mean everything will be all right and nobody is going to diiiiiiiiiiiiiie!



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: TXTriker

using this natural disaster for political gain is sick
no matter who does it



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
using a disaster to further political agenda is disgusting


It always happens and at just about every level of government.

Snowstorm Mayors: Don't Blow This


From the mayors’ perspectives, it may be frustrating to be judged so harshly on an uncontrollable weather event, but the bottom line is that constituents want their streets cleared. The snowplow is the mightiest tool in the mayoral arsenal; in many voters’ minds, freeing their cars is perhaps the clearest evidence that City Hall can accomplish anything at all. Failing to wield it properly is a quick way to lose your job.


7 politicians whose careers were broken — or made — by massive storms


Coming across as insincere or unfocused in the middle of a natural disaster can sink the rest of a politicians' ambition.


In this case it's a simple, 'a chemical plant blew up...must be because of a lack of regulation.' Chemical plants do have a tendency to blow up in Texas though.

With most any disaster, hindsight is 20-20:

For years, engineers have warned that Houston was a flood disaster in the making. Why didn't somebody do something?


The San Jacinto River Authority, which manages water supplies, knew that Harvey was probably headed its way. But a spokeswoman, Rhonda Trow, said the authority chose not to release water from Lake Conroe in advance because the amount it held wouldn’t have made a difference and could have caused flooding even before the storm hit.

But by Monday, the authority had no choice but to open the flood gates to send 79,141 cubic feet of water to flooded Houston every second.

The situation was similar on two dams on the Buffalo Bayou controlled by the Army Corps of Engineers up river from the Houston Ship Channel.



How ‘Wild West’ growth may have led to devastating flood in Houston



But the unfolding disaster – at least 22 people are dead and 30 percent of Harris County, which includes Houston, is underwater – is drawing renewed scrutiny to Houston’s approach to city planning and its unique system for managing floodwater.


Arguing that this was some sort of inevitability and no action could have been taken to mitigate what's happened is kind of a cop-out, in my opinion. Especially when people have been warning about what's happening for years. Someone knew how to fix the problem but no one bothered to.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: shooterbrody
using a disaster to further political agenda is disgusting






With most any disaster, hindsight is 20-20:

For years, engineers have warned that Houston was a flood disaster in the making. Why didn't somebody do something?


The San Jacinto River Authority, which manages water supplies, knew that Harvey was probably headed its way. But a spokeswoman, Rhonda Trow, said the authority chose not to release water from Lake Conroe in advance because the amount it held wouldn’t have made a difference and could have caused flooding even before the storm hit.

But by Monday, the authority had no choice but to open the flood gates to send 79,141 cubic feet of water to flooded Houston every second.

The situation was similar on two dams on the Buffalo Bayou controlled by the Army Corps of Engineers up river from the Houston Ship Channel.


Arguing that this was some sort of inevitability and no action could have been taken to mitigate what's happened is kind of a cop-out, in my opinion. Especially when people have been warning about what's happening for years. Someone knew how to fix the problem but no one bothered to.


I can tell you for a fact that at least 90% of the time the Addicks Reservoir is completely empty and used for livestock grazing. What do you recommend they do when we get enough rain in 48 hours to completely fill an empty reservoir.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: TXTriker

using this natural disaster for political gain is sick
no matter who does it


I've been saying that for almost a week on every stupid post that's been put up. It is past face palm and time to for 2 x 4 to the side of the head. (not a request for violence - just an old saying).



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: pteridine

Isn't there a different compound that can be applied to the cumene hydroperoxide that negates the thermal sensitivity but results in an unusable product?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: TXTriker

Don't allow structures in flood zones and evacuate the low-lying areas prior to the storm. Don't allow any new water or oil pumping within certain areas. Be aware of where and how streets are being paved so they allow water to run towards flood controls or be soaked into the ground.


What do you recommend they do when we get enough rain in 48 hours to completely fill an empty reservoir.


Effective city planning can go a long, long way. After this is all said and done we're looking at billions of dollars of government, tax-payer funds to clean up and try to 'fix' this problem. This isn't a Democrat/Republican or Conservative/Liberal issue, this is an unwillingness to plan for the future and cowardice to recognize when regulations can be helpful.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: links234
a reply to: TXTriker

Don't allow structures in flood zones and evacuate the low-lying areas prior to the storm. Don't allow any new water or oil pumping within certain areas. Be aware of where and how streets are being paved so they allow water to run towards flood controls or be soaked into the ground.


What do you recommend they do when we get enough rain in 48 hours to completely fill an empty reservoir.


Effective city planning can go a long, long way. After this is all said and done we're looking at billions of dollars of government, tax-payer funds to clean up and try to 'fix' this problem. This isn't a Democrat/Republican or Conservative/Liberal issue, this is an unwillingness to plan for the future and cowardice to recognize when regulations can be helpful.


And what makes you think some of those things weren't done. Our streets are built to assist in drainage. The entire city was built on a swamp and is low lying just like NOLA. The evacuation issue has been discussed to death on multiple threads and it is not practical in a city this size. Why wasn't the East Coast evacuated before Sandy?


Are we not to build where there are tornadoes, earthquakes, blizzards? Where is everyone supposed to live then? No area in the country would be acceptable as all have their own natural hazards. What area of the country are you in? Do you not have the potential for a natural disaster? Should this area not receive federal assistance? Are we not allowed to receive assistance from the tax dollars we pay? Did you agree with the assistance provided when Sandy hit? With the assistance provided in the plains when tornadoes have hit? Where would you rather have our taxes spent?

We have one foundation that has already raised over $10M for Harvey relief and it was only started a week ago. There are many more including the Big Boys that are taking donations dedicated to Harvey Relief. Do you not believe that this will reduce the amount of federal assistance required?
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: TXTriker
And what makes you think some of those things weren't done.


The extent of the flooding that occurred.


Are we not to build where there are tornadoes, earthquakes, blizzards? Where is everyone supposed to live then? No area in the country would be acceptable as all have their own natural hazards. What area of the country are you in? Do you not have the potential for a natural disaster? Should this area not receive federal assistance? Are we not allowed to receive assistance from the tax dollars we pay? Did you agree with the assistance provided when Sandy hit? With the assistance provided in the plains when tornadoes have hit? Where would you rather have our taxes spent?


You have building codes. You don't build in flood zones. You don't pave over wetlands.


We have one foundation that has already raised over $10M for Harvey relief and it was only started a week ago. There are many more including the Big Boys that are taking donations dedicated to Harvey Relief. Do you not believe that this will reduce the amount of federal assistance required?


Those foundations will help people but they won't build infrastructure. They won't create and enforce building codes. They won't fund the needed research on what went right and what went wrong.

Houston’s flooding shows what happens when you ignore science and let developers run rampant


Just 10 days before Harvey struck, the president signed an executive order that rescinded federal flood protection standards put in place by his predecessor, Barack Obama. FEMA and the US Housing and Urban Development Department, the two federal agencies that will handle most of the huge pile of cash expected for the rebuilding of Houston, would have been forced to require any rebuilding to confirm to new, safer codes. Now, they won’t.

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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: links234

originally posted by: TXTriker
And what makes you think some of those things weren't done.


The extent of the flooding that occurred.


Are we not to build where there are tornadoes, earthquakes, blizzards? Where is everyone supposed to live then? No area in the country would be acceptable as all have their own natural hazards. What area of the country are you in? Do you not have the potential for a natural disaster? Should this area not receive federal assistance? Are we not allowed to receive assistance from the tax dollars we pay? Did you agree with the assistance provided when Sandy hit? With the assistance provided in the plains when tornadoes have hit? Where would you rather have our taxes spent?


You have building codes. You don't build in flood zones. You don't pave over wetlands.


We have one foundation that has already raised over $10M for Harvey relief and it was only started a week ago. There are many more including the Big Boys that are taking donations dedicated to Harvey Relief. Do you not believe that this will reduce the amount of federal assistance required?


Those foundations will help people but they won't build infrastructure. They won't create and enforce building codes. They won't fund the needed research on what went right and what went wrong.

Houston’s flooding shows what happens when you ignore science and let developers run rampant


Just 10 days before Harvey struck, the president signed an executive order that rescinded federal flood protection standards put in place by his predecessor, Barack Obama. FEMA and the US Housing and Urban Development Department, the two federal agencies that will handle most of the huge pile of cash expected for the rebuilding of Houston, would have been forced to require any rebuilding to confirm to new, safer codes. Now, they won’t.


Last one for tonight as I have to go to bed.

You didn't answer most of the questions.

Tell me any planning that can account for 40" of rain in about 48 hours in any area of the country.

You have no idea what our building codes are so you can't say they aren't sufficient. We could have zoning and we would have had a city that flooded by zone. Mother Nature doesn't much give a shiite about man's laws and rules.

We have tons of wetlands that are not paved over. But like most wetlands they are closer to the coast.

I'll check for the rest of your answers tomorrow unless I'm working too long remotely.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 03:11 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: FyreByrd

the article you posted was some hilljacks opinion of what someone else wrote

the storm in question dumped record rain for a storm in north america
your author called the storm predictable
total bs

it is nothing more than a bs activist piece

using a disaster to further political agenda is disgusting



And denying facts for a political agenda is....

language, language ... didn't your mama teach you better.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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They moved to the area knowing the plant was there and what to do in these types of situations.

Like, Texas is this whole other country.

The containers, left to their own devices pop, (burst due to overpressure) or vent for pressure relief, because until the flood waters reside and power is restored, it is unsafe to approach the building where other ticking time bomb pressure vessels are.

The reason they have to wait is without power there is no refrigeration, without cooling there is risk of further releases of volatilized toxic chemicals... all downplayed by the MSM, thank you I watched CNN (spokesperson, lawyer, propagandist, too) tell everyone not to breathe (stay indoors) but seek medical aid (go outside) if they have been exposed.

Seek it a ways away and fly there, for the local roads are flooded, emergency facilities are currently w/o power too.

Its not doom and gloom to say they are in a 'pickle' down there.

But its not that bad, after all Texas is like this whole other country. They'll issue red bull and everyone will grow wings to stay above the BS.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 07:42 AM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

I provided facts that you lied about.
ALL chemicals from that facility are on record. It is only the fault of the shoddy journalists you quoted that they cant get them.
No worries.
Keep up the bs disingenuous "environmental" concerns; the more you guys lie the less you guys are in office.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 07:42 AM
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originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: pteridine

Isn't there a different compound that can be applied to the cumene hydroperoxide that negates the thermal sensitivity but results in an unusable product?


Cumene hydroperoxide is an oxidant. The problem is that whatever reaction occurs, there will be a release of heat. There is no way to cool any reaction so as to prevent a thermal runaway given the present situation. The best thing they can do is to let it alone because anyone trying to fix it will likely only make it worse and risk their own lives.



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