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Why are the Left and RINO's not interested in our freedoms

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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: luthier
Government sanctioned marriage is not a right. There is already the ability for anyone who wants to get married to have their own ceremony.

Government needs to get completely out of the marriage business.

Jaden




posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: Masterjaden

That is true, but not the point of the right banning gay marriage or making sure it's name isn't marriage but is still giving contracts.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Justoneman

Why do you keep bringing up "communists"? The Communist party of America is incredibly small. Conflating communism with socialism and even worse leftist philosophy in general just shows a huge ignorance of politics and is more evidence you are really just blaming the left and not both sides.


Spades get called spades in my world.


Who you callin a spade? I see your agenda now and it's not "freedom for all" is it? Freedom is only for the people that think like you do. In reality it's you that want to control others. Your insults and derision of other ATS members makes that abundantly clear.





No agenda change to freedom for all but you are welcome to believe as you see fit. I was always about freedom to do what YOU want as long as it hurts NO ONE.... That is my story.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

If that is your story how can you support the GOP?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Masterjaden

That is true, but not the point of the right banning gay marriage or making sure it's name isn't marriage but is still giving contracts.


Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindu's that live here don't have to put their stamp of approval on the 'marriage' by law do they?

ETA

To be tolerant and not be required to be participants is all the religious oriented people are asking. They don't approve, and it is their right to have their own opinions.

THIS limited freedom, and IMO absolute requirement stuff is a violation of freedom to do as I please if I don't hurt someone.
edit on 31-8-2017 by Justoneman because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Well there was that lady who wouldn't stamp gay couples documents.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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Marriage is a contract between two people that involves responsibilities and provides benefits.

Religious approval is not required.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Agreed however the GOP as a whole doesn't seem to.

Since they want to declare marriage between a man and a woman. So they can control their vision of society. Same as the libs being groaned about in this op.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Anyone who believes that real marriage is only between individuals of the opposite sex, should only marry someone of the opposite sex.

That is called "minding your own business."



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Masterjaden

That is true, but not the point of the right banning gay marriage or making sure it's name isn't marriage but is still giving contracts.


Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindu's that live here don't have to put their stamp of approval on the 'marriage' by law do they?

ETA

To be tolerant and not be required to be participants is all the religious oriented people are asking. They don't approve, and it is their right to have their own opinions.

THIS limited freedom, and IMO absolute requirement stuff is a violation of freedom to do as I please if I don't hurt someone.


No they want to use laws to force marriage terms for their religious beliefs.

I shouldn't have to recognize their view of marriage either.

They literally want to male the law the Maria contract says between a man in a woman. They don't want to eliminate contracts.

Too late anyway. It's a done deal unless they stop giving contracts.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Lol. Yes


I am married in a hetero relationship.

It's funny how they don't care if satanists get married as long as they are strait.

Or atheists. Or have sex for pleasure only etc...

Get to pick and choose I guess
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Justoneman

Well there was that lady who wouldn't stamp gay couples documents.


She had a job to do and it was handled properly by addressing that the position DOES stamp them. I recall she resigned and the next clerk correctly signed it.

Look we can call it what you want, gay people should be able to get married. I have gay friends and family who are married so I know. I didn't approve so much I made it to the wedding with my presence but I do with my love and my supporting them today.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Masterjaden

That is true, but not the point of the right banning gay marriage or making sure it's name isn't marriage but is still giving contracts.


Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindu's that live here don't have to put their stamp of approval on the 'marriage' by law do they?

ETA

To be tolerant and not be required to be participants is all the religious oriented people are asking. They don't approve, and it is their right to have their own opinions.

THIS limited freedom, and IMO absolute requirement stuff is a violation of freedom to do as I please if I don't hurt someone.


No they want to use laws to force marriage terms for their religious beliefs.

I shouldn't have to recognize their view of marriage either.

They literally want to male the law the Maria contract says between a man in a woman. They don't want to eliminate contracts.

Too late anyway. It's a done deal unless they stop giving contracts.


While there is a move on by some without the forgiveness in their heart we are taught, most of us just want to be not forced to be participants if we own a business. I wouldn't want to do a food prep for a KKK rally either for that matter. Most of us will leave them alone and not hunt them down as if they were a pack of vampires like it seems you lefties are saying.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Reasonable and fine.


Just saying you may not actually support the real GOP as they actually exist.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Masterjaden

That is true, but not the point of the right banning gay marriage or making sure it's name isn't marriage but is still giving contracts.


Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindu's that live here don't have to put their stamp of approval on the 'marriage' by law do they?

ETA

To be tolerant and not be required to be participants is all the religious oriented people are asking. They don't approve, and it is their right to have their own opinions.

THIS limited freedom, and IMO absolute requirement stuff is a violation of freedom to do as I please if I don't hurt someone.


No they want to use laws to force marriage terms for their religious beliefs.

I shouldn't have to recognize their view of marriage either.

They literally want to male the law the Maria contract says between a man in a woman. They don't want to eliminate contracts.

Too late anyway. It's a done deal unless they stop giving contracts.


While there is a move on by some without the forgiveness in their heart we are taught, most of us just want to be not forced to be participants if we own a business. I wouldn't want to do a food prep for a KKK rally either for that matter. Most of us will leave them alone and not hunt them down as if they were a pack of vampires like it seems you lefties are saying.


And I don't think you should force people to make gay cakes either.

But they aren't the same issue.

And I am in the center and vote mostly libertarian.

Edit.

So weird that if I stand up for human rights I am liberal or gay.

Well neither is true. I haven't voted for a Democrat since the mid 90's
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Justoneman

Reasonable and fine.


Just saying you may not actually support the real GOP as they actually exist.


As a Libertarian I am a loaner to them. I seek a way to do away with both of these group of thieves in a legally binding way.
edit on 31-8-2017 by Justoneman because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Ah. OK.

Well maybe we are allies then. Sorry for misunderstanding you.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Justoneman

Ah. OK.

Well maybe we are allies then. Sorry for misunderstanding you.


Good to see there are a few on ATS. I am consistent for freedom and have always been for ending the corruption, where ever it is. Just as some here on ATS now are to their 'cause de jour' that seems to always blatantly support corruption.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Our leaders would have to obey it,first...they are working at NOT doing so quite hard or making money for themselves.
HENCE their constant WORRIES about that 2nd part and the over all attempt at division so we don't jump them or have time to catch their lies,but for a few.
Or the DNC.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Justoneman

Ah. OK.

Well maybe we are allies then. Sorry for misunderstanding you.


For the most part, the argument over government marriage law was over government defining what a marriage is. Once government does that, then certain groups use that precedent to force their morality onto people who don't hold it.

In other words, if it was wrong to say that two people of the same gender could not obtain the legal benefits accrued to married couples because that was a strictly moral decision, then it should be equally wrong to then redefine marriage a use the new understanding to force people who don't believe in that definition to act against their personal morals to suit yourself (i.e. force bakers to bake cakes in participation with a gay ceremony or take photos of the same).

The only sane solution would have been to remove the word marriage from the legal contract entirely for everyone leaving that word up to individuals to assign and use as they saw fit. But had that happened, then a lot of the legal power to force morality on each other would have been removed. So naturally, we could not have that!




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