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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: CarlsBad

(looks at Venezuela)

Socialism is bad, m'kay?




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

Let's not ignore the fact that taxes for super duper wealthy are at a historically low point.




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: CarlsBad




Concluding this means Fascism is Good


At what point in the constitution or in the free market does Fascism take place?

Fascism being an authoritarian dictatorship. They don't work together. You present a fake argument.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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So, ATS has been reduced to threads that simply state the obvious, eh?




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

You are operating under the assumption that the government can spend rich peoples money better than they can, and they can't.

Growing the government or increasing taxes doesn't help anyone. Taxing rich people more is not going to help the economy only slow it down.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv
So, ATS has been reduced to threads that simply state the obvious, eh?



Sad, but this is how uneducated our society has become.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

Reverse logic. You forgot pepe.jpg



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

Let's also not ignore the fact that the other end of the spectrum is receiving more than they're paying in. We have 47% of American tax "payers" experiencing negative net taxation in which the various subsidies, "refunds," and hand outs exceed what they've paid in income taxes.

I feel more comfortable with the concept of getting to keep as much of what YOU made as possible versus "here, here's a bunch of money, please vote for us" that the Meal Ticket and their Kept Voters have mastered the art of in this country. If we're going to discuss raising taxes on the wealthy, then we need to discuss simplifying the tax code, reducing taxes on the middle class, and eliminating the pay outs in excess of what individual tax payers are paying in to ensure everyone paying taxes has skin in the game.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Doesn't China's existence contradict your theory? China is the largest manufacturing economy in the world and leads the world in the production of steel, solar power, cotton, IPO's (initial public offerings), tobacco, automobiles, beer, coal, and high-technology exports (HERE). Yet China is officially a communist country & is run by the Communist Party of China.

Socialism involves the workers owning the means of production. How on Earth does that fit with your theory that "only non-producers want socialism" when socialism and communism literally target the workers who actually produce everything? You know why the hammer & the sickle were chosen as the symbol right? The hammer represents the factory workers and the sickle represents the farmers/agricultural workers. Those people are the actual producers of the goods, not the wealthy bankers who finance the companies that employ the actual producers.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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As I read the thread, there is misunderstanding of socialism as economic system and welfare state. So in Germany, Scandinavia and basically all EU countries is capitalistic economic system with strong welfare system.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I think the real question that needs to be answered before taxes are raised on anyone is what are those taxes paying for and why?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: CarlsBad




Concluding this means Fascism is Good


At what point in the constitution or in the free market does Fascism take place?

Fascism being an authoritarian dictatorship. They don't work together. You present a fake argument.


You don't know anything about the USA if you think we aren't fascist at all.

It's honestly not worth debate if this isn't a given fact. You're a detractor of the truth to state such a comment without the knowledge.

Many things are fascist in the United States, down to the slogan "United We Stand".

It's a paradigm, that you cannot obviously see and apply. You can only see the example of fascism in the USA as an absolute, so you cannot comprehend the finer details of it in our society. Sad.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

There are some economists that point to the tax system from the early 19th century as a spend it on your business or we tax it as a incentive to share some of the incredible wealth that is created.
Seems that a combo of tax cuts for everyone but very large cuts for the wealthy and loss of unions are a bad combo for the rank and file workers. The productivity gains are not being shared with the workers.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Let's not ignore the fact that taxes for super duper wealthy are at a historically low point.




Very few actually paid those astronomical tax rates. It isn't a really accurate chart. What has actually happened is the middle and upper class are paying more. The uber wealthy don't care. The middle class is getting squeezed. The poor aren't paying sh*t. The bottom 3% or so actually has a negative tax rate meaning government is giving them money.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: CarlsBad

You know what? I'll toss you a damn bone here... if facism means my wallet stays stuffed with my own money and my Constitutional rights are left the hell alone, then by God I love me some facism. Let's hear it for whatever BS you apparently believe constitutes facism! Hip hip! Hip hip! Hip hip!



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Yeah they produce the goods and live in deplorable conditions.

Do you plan on moving to the wonderful state of China anytime soon?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

this is horsecrap.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
This is my theory and you will not talk me out of it.


Then you're not here for a debate or a discussion. You're here to preach.

So why bother even bringing it up???



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: toysforadults

Mark Zuckerberg supports universal basic income. What is it?
money.cnn.com...


That's because the quasi-socialist see capitalism as the problem when in fact it's the socialism part of our economy that's the problem.

They are uneducated and woefully misinformed on how the economy was designed to work.



I enjoy your threads. I disagree a lot, but I enjoy your ideas regardless.

Quick questions for you. What is your opinion of the distribution of wealth in the US?

And, is the current distribution due to quasi-socialism?


I attended a highly liberal university and majored in Economics. I disagreed with professors regularly, but I also have some practical sense.
edit on 29-8-2017 by CreationBro because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

In what way does taking people property = people owning more property?

I don't get it.

They raise taxes meaning they take more of your stuff somehow that equates to everyone having more stuff.

Backwards logic much?

That's called a false equivalency. It had nothing to do with the tax rates and everything to do with the post WW2 economy.




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