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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.




posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 01:29 AM
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originally posted by: KeithCooper
a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.


It was entry into world war 2 and its subsequent end that ended the Great Depression. Pop!



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 01:44 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So the same old Hegelian Dialectic, Problem – Reaction – Solution?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 01:56 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So the same old Hegelian Dialectic, Problem – Reaction – Solution?





No need to fix something that ain't broke.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:00 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So the same old Hegelian Dialectic, Problem – Reaction – Solution?


I'm more of a Popper kind of guy, ie. scientific trial and error.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:02 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
No need to fix something that ain't broke.

It is needed if someone wants a change that won't come about without everyone else thinking it was broken.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:08 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: KeithCooper
a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.


It was entry into world war 2 and its subsequent end that ended the Great Depression. Pop!


Not really true, but even if it was what was it about entry into WW2 that boosted the economy if not increased government spending.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:12 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: KeithCooper
a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.


It was entry into world war 2 and its subsequent end that ended the Great Depression. Pop!


Not really true, but even if it was what was it about entry into WW2 that boosted the economy if not increased government spending.


Hotly debated even today. But don't forget it was the cuts to government spending immediately after the war that preceded some of America's most prosperous years. What is clear is that the Marxist interpretation doesn't have any impact outside of socialist circles.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:14 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
No need to fix something that ain't broke.

It is needed if someone wants a change that won't come about without everyone else thinking it was broken.





Well this particular system works so well there really is no need to change anything about it, people in general are either too stupid to get it or far to busy to care.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:19 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Works so well that it has been going against free markets since the first administration?

Look up the whiskey rebellion and you'll see how snuggled up government and industry have been before the ink even had a chance to dry on the founding docs.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:22 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

It wasn't the cuts to government spending, it was the captive clients in the bombed out allies in europe.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:30 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: KeithCooper
a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.


It was entry into world war 2 and its subsequent end that ended the Great Depression. Pop!


Not really true, but even if it was what was it about entry into WW2 that boosted the economy if not increased government spending.


Hotly debated even today. But don't forget it was the cuts to government spending immediately after the war that preceded some of America's most prosperous years. What is clear is that the Marxist interpretation doesn't have any impact outside of socialist circles.


Well government spending dropped from war time levels but remained higher than pre war.

It also increased throughout the period your are refering (when governments used more active economic policies).

None of that is a Marxist interpretation



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:37 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Works so well that it has been going against free markets since the first administration?

Look up the whiskey rebellion and you'll see how snuggled up government and industry have been before the ink even had a chance to dry on the founding docs.





Its always been this way though has it not, the government get kickbacks from industry so that the government steer the ship in a direction industry wants . The corps or big money have always called the shots and will do so long as this current system is viable.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: KeithCooper
a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.


It was entry into world war 2 and its subsequent end that ended the Great Depression. Pop!


Not really true, but even if it was what was it about entry into WW2 that boosted the economy if not increased government spending.


Hotly debated even today. But don't forget it was the cuts to government spending immediately after the war that preceded some of America's most prosperous years. What is clear is that the Marxist interpretation doesn't have any impact outside of socialist circles.


Well government spending dropped from war time levels but remained higher than pre war.

It also increased throughout the period your are refering (when governments used more active economic policies).

None of that is a Marxist interpretation


If government spending decreases while employment and the GDP increases, I do not see how government spending has much to do with either. It seems more like the market self-corrected, something Hoover and Roosevelt's interventionism never allowed to happen.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 03:31 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: KeithCooper
a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.


It was entry into world war 2 and its subsequent end that ended the Great Depression. Pop!


Not really true, but even if it was what was it about entry into WW2 that boosted the economy if not increased government spending.


Hotly debated even today. But don't forget it was the cuts to government spending immediately after the war that preceded some of America's most prosperous years. What is clear is that the Marxist interpretation doesn't have any impact outside of socialist circles.


Well government spending dropped from war time levels but remained higher than pre war.

It also increased throughout the period your are refering (when governments used more active economic policies).

None of that is a Marxist interpretation


If government spending decreases while employment and the GDP increases, I do not see how government spending has much to do with either. It seems more like the market self-corrected, something Hoover and Roosevelt's interventionism never allowed to happen.


Hoover was a Fiscal conservative who pursued mainly pro cyclical policies.

The effects of the great depression didn't begin to alleviate until FDR did (the still insufficient) New Deal policies.

How did the market correction work out in the previous great depression?

Also important to point out no one (sane) is arguing that increasing government spending is always the correct answer. Economic policy (fiscal & monetary) should be in response to reality not dogma.
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:58 AM
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If you want to know why socialism won't work, just look at what's going on down in TX. In the middle of this disaster, you have people posing as ICE agents ordering people to leave their homes, then robbing their homes. When a major, life-threatening hurricane is about to hit, some of these scum, their first thought is how can we take advantage of this to get # that doesn't belong to us.

I know, I know, it's an isolated case. Ok, then there's the looting (no I'm not talking about someone taking a loaf of bread from Walmart, there's actual looting going on). What about all the scam fundraisers that pop up with every disaster? How bout all the insurance fraud and identity fraud that'll be coming in the next few years? And it's not just limited to disasters. How many million cases of identity fraud are there every year, robberies and burglaries, you could go on down the list of crimes against persons.

While some of these are perpetrated by the same repeat offenders, the point here is that there are a significant number of people in our society that simply do not want to pull their own weight and contribute. That's not a mean, heartless Republican talking point from people that don't want to help folks in need, it's a simple truth of the world we live in. These people have no sense of personal responsibility, no empathy for their fellow citizens, they are only out for themselves and they will take advantage of any leverage you give them. Vultures like this would bleed a socialist system dry, and the system itself would just create more of them because it lowers incentive to produce. There's always the other guy's money/goods you can get. This is why we laugh at you and call it a pipe dream. We see the world for what it really is instead of what you want it to be.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: face23785
Right,. It's Houston's fault. Some of you hired dividers are getting desparate.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

I was gonna predict the first response to that post would misrepresent what I said, but it seemed kind of redundant. Of course that's how you would respond. God forbid you actually address what's in the post. You have to pretend I said something else so you can respond to that. If you can't address what I actually said, don't say anything. No one appreciates you making # up. It's getting really, really old. I had empathy for you in another thread on this issue, but the constant dishonesty makes it really hard to show any kindness toward you. Stop being a dishonest person, you have enough problems in your life without adding to them by being ugly inside.
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posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: KeithCooper
a reply to: Jubilation T Cornpone

Love how you uber capitalists always pick out the singular failure as the overall exemplar, ignoring the majority of successes....using your tactics lets look at the biggest capitalist failures such as the UNITED STATES in the late 20's prior to all those protective regulatory socialist banking and business regulations, programs and legislation. Capitalism left to it's own produced the worst economic disaster of the lastthree generations....and was only turned around by heavy handed SOCIALIST programs and policies. So much for your littke thought bubble. POP.


It was entry into world war 2 and its subsequent end that ended the Great Depression. Pop!


Not really true, but even if it was what was it about entry into WW2 that boosted the economy if not increased government spending.


Hotly debated even today. But don't forget it was the cuts to government spending immediately after the war that preceded some of America's most prosperous years. What is clear is that the Marxist interpretation doesn't have any impact outside of socialist circles.


Well government spending dropped from war time levels but remained higher than pre war.

It also increased throughout the period your are refering (when governments used more active economic policies).

None of that is a Marxist interpretation


If government spending decreases while employment and the GDP increases, I do not see how government spending has much to do with either. It seems more like the market self-corrected, something Hoover and Roosevelt's interventionism never allowed to happen.


Hoover was a Fiscal conservative who pursued mainly pro cyclical policies.

The effects of the great depression didn't begin to alleviate until FDR did (the still insufficient) New Deal policies.

How did the market correction work out in the previous great depression?

Also important to point out no one (sane) is arguing that increasing government spending is always the correct answer. Economic policy (fiscal & monetary) should be in response to reality not dogma.


In the last analysis, Hoover was quite the interventionalist, even progressive. (Hoover's economic policies)

I'm not aware of what happened in the previous Great Depression. But I am aware of the Japanese recession, where the numerous government stimulus attempts only hindered getting out of it.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

USA economy is war economy from 40's to now. Weapons are only industrial article which is offered to rest of the world. Even chips in your "smart" weapons are made in China.

And do not start with WinBS and Apple crap ... all of it is crap.



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