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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:29 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Which is what many of us are working towards.

But not shedding blood over.

I'm going to bet the fight gets nowhere.




posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I think you should take a break. Give yourself a big hug.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Don't fret, I know what it means. Anyone can say the word, even if they refuse to back it up.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3




I think you should take a break. Give yourself a big hug.


But that's socialism.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I do, actually, but mostly it is the need to put something out here when it is, in my opinion, witty.


I can appreciate that.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

Yep, the military has been called in for help, that we all pay for, and with our blessing.

Go America. United We Stand.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: bastion




No it's what it means, even the heart of Texas people working together for the common good is socialism in action. The US used to be based on socialist ideals.


Utterly false. You guys will stop at nothing to torture the language in order to suit your ideological aims. It's no wonder socialism always fails.


Yeah things like facts, mathematics, logic, philosophy, history, evidence etc.... don't exist everyone in the world is wrong and you're right because you said so on the internet. Good work. Keep it, simple stupid the world would be a far more dangerous place is you had two braincells to rub together so best you stay ignorant.
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3




Yep, the military has been called in for help, that we all pay for, and with our blessing.

Go America. United We Stand.


Taxes paid for the military in feudal societies. Were they socialist?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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Yeah things like facts, mathematics, logic, philosophy, history, evidence etc.... don't exist everyone in the world is wrong and you're right because you said so on the internet. Good work.


All of that shows socialism to be an utter failure in every single instance. Can you point to me with any of those things where socialism has succeeded?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

US Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2


There is really zero doubt that the Founders reached a compromise between National, State and local power. All were intended to work together.


Correct. For example, my mayor has no business negotiating trade with England.

The federal governments role was pretty well laid out, and what wasn't laid out was restricted through a lack of funding. Uncle Sam managed to make it for over 100 years without an income tax. That is, until he began growing his power. Power that was not granted by the founders.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What is your problem. Who cares. You are on page 22 beating a dead dog. American families are drowning in sewage and your kind want to stir up the division.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Thats,,,kinda...sorta... well, the entire reason there's a National Guard. Just saying. Military isn't socialist, it's an essential function of any government, whether totalitarian dictatorship, monarchy, feudal, socialist, or representative democratic/capitalist... By your esteem, there is no established government anywhere in the world that isn't socialist.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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What is your problem. Who cares. You are on page 22 beating a dead dog. American families are drowning in sewage and your kind want to stir up the division.


And here you are on page 22, standing on a disaster and tragedy so you can spread your socialist nonsense.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Sorry.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Which is what many of us are working towards.

But not shedding blood over.

I'm going to bet the fight gets nowhere.


The pressure hasn't reached the breaking point yet. This country will eventually work itself into an Ayn Rand quagmire in which there are more takers than providers, and when the providers get disgusted enough to stop providing, the ensuing civil war will dictate what direction America takes: third world-like cesspool of Big Brother provides and controls all, or land of the free where a man's success lays on his own shoulders and his alone.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: bastion




Yeah things like facts, mathematics, logic, philosophy, history, evidence etc.... don't exist everyone in the world is wrong and you're right because you said so on the internet. Good work.


All of that shows socialism to be an utter failure in every single instance. Can you point to me with any of those things where socialism has succeeded?


I could but you've just proved to anyone reading you've not read a single citation bymany posters in the thread and are only interested in pretending you have a point to win THE INTERNETS so why bother?

The one things stupid people are really good at is winning arguements because they're too stupid to realise when they've lost. An agency provides thick people for jobs they are good at, such as arguments, which they are apparently very good at winning "because they are too thick to realise they've lost."

www.youtube.com...




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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Actually, they DID shed blood to help create a country that can amend its Constitution as needed.

Income tax is as much a part of the United States now as any other aspect.


It can just as quickly become a non-part of America, too. Which is what many of us are working towards.


This.

Income Tax is theft. Plain and simple. Worse, its a theft that not everybody suffers equally. I cannot imagine a more unAmerican act than having income tax levied.

And even worse, just paying your taxes isn't good enough. You have to also file a bunch of damned paperwork every year in order for the rich farts to jump through all their loopholes. Why in the hell is it set up as a self reporting mechanism?

I would rather use a reward system, whereby Uncle Sam is allowed to create a funding mechanism that incentivizes our government. For example, if it was funded on tariffs, then the incentive would be to negotiate better trade deals for all of us to benefit from.

In 2014 i busted my ass to make a bonus in the 5 figures. Uncle Sam draped his arm across my shoulder and said, "We had a good year, didn't we?". I think it was in Bill Clintons voice (at least, in my imagination it was). All those hours spent away from my family, skipping meals to get work done that helped my bonus. All my sacrifices...and I lost 33% of that bonus to taxes. Why bother, when its just going to be redistributed to someone else?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:54 PM
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The pressure hasn't reached the breaking point yet. This country will eventually work itself into an Ayn Rand quagmire in which there are more takers than providers, and when the providers get disgusted enough to stop providing, the ensuing civil war will dictate what direction America takes: third world-like cesspool of Big Brother provides and controls all, or land of the free where a man's success lays on his own shoulders and his alone.


That's occurring in many countries as we speak. As the populace has less and less children, less and less of a homegrown "labour force", people need to be imported in order to keep the entrenched bureaucracy running.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:55 PM
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I could but you've just proved to anyone reading you've not read a single citation bymany posters in the thread and are only interested in pretending you have a point tin win THE INTERNETS so why bother?


You won't because you cannot.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

I can think of a few countries that let their citizens die and their families stolen because of no government funded by tax payers. You and Les could live like Kings. Course you would have to fund your own military. Like that Boko Haram.



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