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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: toysforadults


The government taxing you and taking your property to give it to someone else, or taxing you and taking the profit from what you produce is actually anti-American and it goes against the ideas of freedom. It's everything we fought the British to get away from and is the key element to a successful society where everyone has ample opportunity and incentive to be successful.


Then why did The Founders put it in the COTUS?


They didn't. The founders wanted a small federal government and control to reside in the states. Then Lincoln came along and forced the federalist/anti-federalist debate to a head. At this point, the question of federal supremacy was an unanswered question.

Prior to the 16th Amendment (about 100 years ago), Uncle Sam survived off tariffs for the most part. Taxing a mans labor is tyranny, and is best left to the states. Which is how it was originally crafted. I think this one point alone tells me if the founders wanted a strong federal government or not...they didn't even make provisions to fund much more than the few constitutional responsibilities originally given.




posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Humanitarianism is not socialism.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yep and it's still just as dumb as before. Saying there is no real criteria. Duh.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
This casuistry seems to be the only thing self-described socialists have going for them, but it turns out to be no more than a word trick.

That is just your opinion.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MOMof3




I'm watching in real time socialism working together in Texas. No man stands alone. It makes me feel hopeful that we can still care.


That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


No it's what it means, even the heart of Texas people working together for the common good is socialism in action. The US used to be based on socialist ideals.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan



This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

US Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2


There is really zero doubt that the Founders reached a compromise between National, State and local power. All were intended to work together.

edit on 30-8-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:17 PM
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Yep and it's still just as dumb as before. Saying there is no real criteria. Duh.


That's not much of an argument, but given the results of socialism thus far, and the fact that you're defending it, I understand the need to do so.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My fist, bump it.

The entire income taxation system is something this country's founders would have shed blood to eliminate.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MOMof3




I'm watching in real time socialism working together in Texas. No man stands alone. It makes me feel hopeful that we can still care.


That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


Nah. I've heard much more stupid remarks right here in this thread.

Someone made a specious crack about collectivism I seem to recall.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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No it's what it means, even the heart of Texas people working together for the common good is socialism in action. The US used to be based on socialist ideals.


Utterly false. You guys will stop at nothing to torture the language in order to suit your ideological aims. It's no wonder socialism always fails.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
The entire income taxation system is something this country's founders would have shed blood to eliminate.

But the current populace won't.

People get the government they deserve.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66




Nah. I've heard much more stupid remarks right here in this thread.

Someone made a specious crack about collectivism I seem to recall.


You've been saying specious many times, of course without anything to back it up. Let me guess, you just learned a new word?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

That would only be true if he needs to say the words aloud while typing.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My fist, bump it.

The entire income taxation system is something this country's founders would have shed blood to eliminate.


Actually, they DID shed blood to help create a country that can amend its Constitution as needed.

Income tax is as much a part of the United States now as any other aspect.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: daskakik




That would only be true if he needs to say the words aloud while typing.


You must just sit and watch the posts go by without your help and feel left out.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66




Nah. I've heard much more stupid remarks right here in this thread.

Someone made a specious crack about collectivism I seem to recall.


You've been saying specious many times, of course without anything to back it up. Let me guess, you just learned a new word?


What, you don't know what it means?

Geez. Aren't you the dictionary don?

You make bland pronouncements with absolutely nothing to back them up besides your own opinions. You've stated that repeatedly here and have demonstrated it.

Specious: non-sensical, meaningless, without merit, self-contradictory, etc.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

You say potato I say potahto. Everyone has their own interpretation of socialism.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I do, actually, but mostly it is the need to put something out here when it is, in my opinion, witty.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Actually, they DID shed blood to help create a country that can amend its Constitution as needed.

Income tax is as much a part of the United States now as any other aspect.


It can just as quickly become a non-part of America, too. Which is what many of us are working towards.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: burdman30ott6

You say potato I say potahto. Everyone has their own interpretation of socialism.


You are entitled to your personal opinion, but not your personal definition of accepted terms and words. Don't point at a dog turd, call it a rose, and expect anyone else to start calling it a rose alongside you. The watering down of the word "socialism's" usage in an attempt to make the concept less odorous to Americans, making it easier to implement as time passes, will be fought against in the same way the application of "racism" to virtually any opinion not in lockstep with the social justice movement has been fought against.



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