originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier
That is what we are saying. You don't get it
You're talking about capitalist countries. Why won't you talk about socialist ones?
We have, one three continents, you just don't know what the terms mean and are stuck in black and white instead of the reality of Nordic model.
Concepts, nuances, ideologies and models are incredibly complex and reducing it to capitalst - socialist would require reductio absurdium and dumbing
down things so much it's require lying to you to make you feel satisfied you understand things.
It's not something morally, locially, philosophically possible. I'd rather you educated yourself than required spoon feeding.
Read up on the raven paradox to see the major logical falacy you've fallen into
In strict logical terms, saying:
(1) All ravens are black.
is equivalent to saying:
(2) If something is not black then it is not a raven.
Whenever (2) is true, (1) also is; and likewise, in all circumstances where (2) is false (i.e. if a world is imagined in which something that was not
black, yet was a raven, existed), (1) is also false. This establishes logical equivalence.
Given a general statement such as all ravens are black, a form of the same statement that refers to a specific observable instance of the general
class would typically be considered to constitute evidence for that general statement. For example,
(3) Nevermore, my pet raven, is black.
is evidence supporting the hypothesis that all ravens are black.
The paradox arises when this same process is applied to statement (2). On sighting a green apple, one can observe:
(4) This green (and therefore not black) thing is an apple (and not a raven).
By the same reasoning, this statement is evidence that (2) if something is not black then it is not a raven.. But since (as above) this statement is
logically equivalent to (1) all ravens are black, it follows that the sight of a green apple is evidence supporting the notion that all ravens are
black. This conclusion seems paradoxical, because it implies that information has been gained about ravens by looking at an apple.
edit on 30-8-2017 by bastion because: (no reason given)