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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope


Who is socialist?




posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

But they have free college is that socialist?


When a member of a discussion will not define the terms they use, they can use the terms however they wish.

No economy extant now or in history is purely "capitalist" or "socialist."

PS: capitalism can be simply defined as any system that redistributes an economy's wealth to a very small portion of the population.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: luthier

No pure socialism exists, so a socialist country is a country that declares it is a socialist country in its constitution, and attempts to implement socialism in its society.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66




Ad hominem.

/coma


Of course it is. This isn't any debate, and everything you've said is bereft of argument and evidence. In those conditions I reserve the right to make fun of your behavior.


I'm rubber; you're glue ...

/transcendental meditation



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That's rich.


That's your opinion.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

At least this time you called it right.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: luthier

You may find it interesting to note that the word "constitutions" is as slippery a term as any other.

Not every nation has a singular Constitution, as does the US.

Many nations consider several historical documents as well as the practices of common law their "constitution."
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier




That is what we are saying. You don't get it


You're talking about capitalist countries. Why won't you talk about socialist ones?


We have, one three continents, you just don't know what the terms mean and are stuck in black and white instead of the reality of Nordic model.

Concepts, nuances, ideologies and models are incredibly complex and reducing it to capitalst - socialist would require reductio absurdium and dumbing down things so much it's require lying to you to make you feel satisfied you understand things.

It's not something morally, locially, philosophically possible. I'd rather you educated yourself than required spoon feeding.

Read up on the raven paradox to see the major logical falacy you've fallen into

In strict logical terms, saying:

(1) All ravens are black.

is equivalent to saying:

(2) If something is not black then it is not a raven.

Whenever (2) is true, (1) also is; and likewise, in all circumstances where (2) is false (i.e. if a world is imagined in which something that was not black, yet was a raven, existed), (1) is also false. This establishes logical equivalence.

Given a general statement such as all ravens are black, a form of the same statement that refers to a specific observable instance of the general class would typically be considered to constitute evidence for that general statement. For example,

(3) Nevermore, my pet raven, is black.

is evidence supporting the hypothesis that all ravens are black.

The paradox arises when this same process is applied to statement (2). On sighting a green apple, one can observe:

(4) This green (and therefore not black) thing is an apple (and not a raven).

By the same reasoning, this statement is evidence that (2) if something is not black then it is not a raven.. But since (as above) this statement is logically equivalent to (1) all ravens are black, it follows that the sight of a green apple is evidence supporting the notion that all ravens are black. This conclusion seems paradoxical, because it implies that information has been gained about ravens by looking at an apple.


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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So it's words not policy. Got it as long as you don't put it in the writing as socialist it's not.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So it's words not policy. Got it as long as you don't put it in the writing as socialist it's not.


No it's the reality of what those who seek to implement socialism end up creating.

Here's a helpful list:

List of Socialist States



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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Therefore, all countries that claimed to be socialist are included, even if their claims are disputed. All countries that did not claim to be socialist are excluded, even in cases where those countries were considered socialist by certain outside observers.a reply to: LesMisanthrope

It's a list which in the first line declares how they got the list. By self decried countries. Did you read the paragraph or just cut and paste because it said list of socialist states.
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Actually it was you who cut and pasted the paragraph, which is suspiciously missing the first half.

"The following is a list of self-declared socialist states—that is to say, past and present states that have declared themselves socialist or in the process of building socialism. Self-identification is the only criterion used by the list."



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: bastion




We have, one three continents, you just don't know what the terms mean and are stuck in black and white instead of the reality of Nordic model.


You haven't. You don't know the reality of the Nordic model.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No, once again that's a list of countries (on wikipedia of all things, used to ban students for citing it) that have said they're socialist.

You're trying to claim ravens are made out of apples and that if I say I'm a walrus, I'll magically grown tusks and become one - instead of basing thigngs in reality.

ETA: Ok quiz me on the Nordic model and Scandanavian Socialism are infact capitalist like you state and over 60,000 published papers are all lies and you're right because you said so as I'm tired of being nice to you so a nice slap in the face with LEXIS woiuld be good fun.
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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No, once again that's a list of countries (on wikipedia of all things, used to ban students for citing it) that have said they're socialist.

You're trying to claim ravens are made out of apples and that if I say I'm a walrus, I'll magically grown tusks and become one - instead of basing thigngs in reality.


False I'm saying there is no socialism, only those that have attempted it, and consequently failed.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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America has many socialist programs. And its brand of capitalism reeks mainly of profiteering and fraud. But neither is even important; they are used to divide and conquer the public debating abstract concepts that have little to do with the real issues. And those that fall prey to the argument are simply playing into the hands of the Shadow Government and corporations running the show.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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Any successful economy with socialist elements requires as many members as possible to be actively contributing to production.

Any economy that features high unemployment is not only not socialist, but is more than likely experiencing the failures of capitalist elements.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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America has many socialist programs.


For instance? This casuistry seems to be the only thing self-described socialists have going for them, but it turns out to be no more than a word trick.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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I'm watching in real time socialism working together in Texas. No man stands alone. It makes me feel hopeful that we can still care.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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I'm watching in real time socialism working together in Texas. No man stands alone. It makes me feel hopeful that we can still care.


That might be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.



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