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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Call substantiated facts opinion?

It is lame when others do it as well.




posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66




Also ... many forms of socialism incorporate "the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors" ... of course not in the dictionary-defined, ludicrously simplified "socialism" that is being argued for in the OP and by others.


Let's hear your definition of socialism.


Sure I don't mind providing a quick definition for this purpose: "a multitude of theories of economic forces each with different emphasis on the proper roles of such actors as the state, the individual and the collective."

Why not define your terms now?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: luthier




Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.


Welfare states exist in capitalist economies, not socialist ones.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66




Also ... many forms of socialism incorporate "the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors" ... of course not in the dictionary-defined, ludicrously simplified "socialism" that is being argued for in the OP and by others.


Let's hear your definition of socialism.


Sure I don't mind providing a quick definition for this purpose: "a multitude of theories of economic forces each with different emphasis on the proper roles of such actors as the state, the individual and the collective."

Why not define your terms now?


I prefer the dictionary definition.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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Ahh that's the old logic failure there, there's a huge difference between knowing the name of something and actually knowing what it means. The great US physicist and Richard Feynmann described it far better than I can. You know the word in every dictionary you want- but know absolutely nothing about it's meaning, role, sgnificance, actions, reactions, consequences etc......which is the bit that matters.

Indeed but he also warned of the dangers of radical individualism, where people were more concerned with looking after their lawns than looking after each other - which in the US directly caused the rise of political Islam (see Qutb, Al-Zaqiri, Bin Laden story) and the dangers of the choas now seen in US politics of an ever more fragmented and militant society as people would reach such a state of self entitlement, they'd fight each other rather than work together to make society better. And has created things like ISIS and the poverty and lack of moral compass in modern day US where mass shootings, inner city murder, and violent riots are now common place thanks to new rayndian heroes.

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66




Also ... many forms of socialism incorporate "the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors" ... of course not in the dictionary-defined, ludicrously simplified "socialism" that is being argued for in the OP and by others.


Let's hear your definition of socialism.


Sure I don't mind providing a quick definition for this purpose: "a multitude of theories of economic forces each with different emphasis on the proper roles of such actors as the state, the individual and the collective."

Why not define your terms now?


I prefer the dictionary definition.


Of course you do.

Which dictionary? As there are as many definitions as there are dictionaries.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier




Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.


Welfare states exist in capitalist economies, not socialist ones.


What does that have to do with south Africa?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier




Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.


Welfare states exist in capitalist economies, not socialist ones.


This is one of those Big Lies some of us may have heard of.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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It's good because I can go down the typical Alex Jones listener bullet point list and know what comments are coming.

Speaking of collectivism.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier




Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.


Welfare states exist in capitalist economies, not socialist ones.


What does that have to do with south Africa?


South Africa is not a socialist country. Welfare states are not socialist. The topic is socialism.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier




Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.


Welfare states exist in capitalist economies, not socialist ones.


This is one of those Big Lies some of us may have heard of.



Surely you will offer evidence to the contrary.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's good because I can go down the typical Alex Jones listener bullet point list and know what comments are coming.

Speaking of collectivism.


Apparently you've listened to more alex jones than I have.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:27 PM
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South Africa is a capitalist country. That is not opinion.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier




Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.


Welfare states exist in capitalist economies, not socialist ones.


This is one of those Big Lies some of us may have heard of.



Surely you will offer evidence to the contrary.


Nah. I don't spend a lot of time on countering specious arguments these days.
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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South Africa is a capitalist country. That is not opinion.


Then maybe I do not understand why you'd bring up South Africa.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:29 PM
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Nah. I don't spent a lot of time on countering specious arguments these days.


Or in socialist speak, there is none.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:29 PM
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Bacause they have no safety net. Which is a socialist policy.
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66




Nah. I don't spent a lot of time on countering specious arguments these days.


Or in socialist speak, there is none.


Strawman argument.

/yawn



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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Baca use they have no safety net. Which is a socialist policy.


zSo they are a capitalist country with socialist policies? I don't get it.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: luthier




Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.


Welfare states exist in capitalist economies, not socialist ones.


This is one of those Big Lies some of us may have heard of.



Surely you will offer evidence to the contrary.


See northern europe, latin america, east asia as examples.




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