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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Is that an answer?




posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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Total shortsighted hogwash. Selfish idioacy...socialism will be just the beginning of the saving of the human specie...some form of communism will eventually be implemented by wiser peoples than ourselves once it becomes obvious the self serving capitalist greed does nothing for the whole. Keep thinking in your little box, spouting armchair wisdoms about economics that only serve the few, and for only the short term...makes zero difference...the only way to actually aucceed is by everyone working together, for everyone...u



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Is that yours.

I have been saving the zinger that I am 40 and my entire family is Polish.

You do the math.

Pretty sure I understand the dangers of communism and socialism...however Europe and the US using safety nets is not going to bring about the third Reich.
edit on 30-8-2017 by luthier because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:56 PM
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Is that yours.

I have been saving the zinger that I am 40 and my entire family is polish.

You do the math.


What did Hayek say about collectivism in "The Road to Serfdom"?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: KeithCooper
Total shortsighted hogwash. Selfish idioacy...socialism will be just the beginning of the saving of the human specie...some form of communism will eventually be implemented by wiser peoples than ourselves once it becomes obvious the self serving capitalist greed does nothing for the whole. Keep thinking in your little box, spouting armchair wisdoms about economics that only serve the few, and for only the short term...makes zero difference...the only way to actually aucceed is by everyone working together, for everyone...u


Take heart. The United States and many nations across the world have instituted many of Marx's Ten Points, some for over a century.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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What did he say about safety nets like a basic income?

Which is actually the topic of the op. Free stuff.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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What did he say about safety nets like a basic income?

Which is actually the topic of the op. Free stuff.


He wrote:

“It is true that the virtues which are less esteemed and practiced now--independence, self-reliance, and the willingness to bear risks, the readiness to back one's own conviction against a majority, and the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors--are essentially those on which the of an individualist society rests. Collectivism has nothing to put in their place, and in so far as it already has destroyed then it has left a void filled by nothing but the demand for obedience and the compulsion of the individual to what is collectively decided to be good.”



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What did he write about a basic income, raparations, safety nets etc...

Which again is the basis for the thread. Collectivism is irrelevant.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What did he write about a basic income, raparations, safety nets etc...

Which again is the basis for the thread. Collectivism is irrelevant.


Which book?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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Also ... many forms of socialism incorporate "the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors" ... of course not in the dictionary-defined, ludicrously simplified "socialism" that is being argued for in the OP and by others.
edit on 30-8-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Ahh the Google clipper.

No, just his general view of the concept if you read his stuff you know



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Ahh the Google clipper.

No, just his general view of the concept if you read his stuff you know


I haven't read all his stuff.

Please enlighten me.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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Seems like Hayek never lived in a socialist country either. His argument from ignorance and your appeal to authority are a fail.

I'm sure a certain amount of independence, self-reliance, the willingness to bear risks, the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors existed even in the most authoritarian examples of socialism. At least that is what I have been told by those who lived it.

The only out-flier would be going against the majority but then again that doesn't fly too well in any system.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:10 PM
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Also ... many forms of socialism incorporate "the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors" ... of course not in the dictionary-defined, ludicrously simplified "socialism" that is being argued for in the OP and by others.


Let's hear your definition of socialism.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:11 PM
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Seems like Hayek never lived in a socialist country either. His argument from ignorance and your appeal to authority are a fail.

I'm sure a certain amount of independence, self-reliance, the willingness to bear risks, the willingness to voluntary cooperation with one's neighbors existed even in the most authoritarian examples of socialism. At least that is what I have been told by those who lived it.

The only out-flier would be going against the majority but then again that doesn't fly too well in any system.


That's just your opinion.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He felt a great society should create a baseline no man should fall below if he can't provide for himself. Which he describes as a type of GI.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Lame.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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He felt a great society should create a baseline no man should fall below if he can't provide for himself. Which he describes as a type of GI.


And why not? Sounds like a welfare state, to me.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Lame.



But only when I do it, right?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Sure. Try out south Africa. See how it looks.




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