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The only people who want Socialism are people who don't produce

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 10:26 AM
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I'm astonished that health care is socialism, but companies that profit from war is some how patriotic. Even though both are supported by tax dollars.

political ideology is analogous to insanity...or a more concise description might be a disillusional disorder.


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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: jkm1864

Why were they called racists?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Until now.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

Highest military spending in the world by multiple factors
Highest incarceration rate in the world

But social programs are the evil that most be cut from our tax expenditures...



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Whats the military budget and incarceration rate have to do with socialism vs capitalism?

Nothing.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Whats the military budget and incarceration rate have to do with socialism vs capitalism?

Nothing.

They are all paid with with the same taxes.

PS: Why are you pitting socialism against capitalism anyways? That's a false premise since our society is a Democratic Socialist country. A mix of both.
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Whats the military budget and incarceration rate have to do with socialism vs capitalism?

Nothing.


So economics, speculation and the way money is spent... and the type of government aren't related?

A little research might be of benefit.... start here...

learn.saylor.org...


econfaculty.gmu.edu...
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

I think you should have given him the Macroeconomics course. That's the field that deals with government expenditures and the total economy. Microeconomics is applied to individual businesses to determine their earnings and projections.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: olaru12

I think you should have given him the Macroeconomics course. That's the field that deals with government expenditures and the total economy. Microeconomics is applied to individual businesses to determine their earnings and projections.


Perhaps so....


www.dummies.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

Yeah. I know that because I took AP Economics in High School (Which was actually both Macro then Micro economics over the two semesters and then two AP tests at the end of the year), and then when I was in college again I retook Macroeconomics.

Of course anyone who understands that there is a BIG difference between being good at macroeconomics and being good at microeconomics, they'd also understand that someone good at running a business would be more predisposed to know microeconomics and not so much macroeconomics. I'm sure that applies in some way to our current political situation...
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:31 AM
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The socialists I meet haven't had the opportunity to exist within a socialist society, where everything about them is stripped of individuality, to serve some great purpose that was never great to begin with. Human beings always end up being the brick and mortar of these utopian projects.

That's why, to add to your thesis, the only people who want socialism are people who've never lived under the tyranny of socialism.
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Whats the military budget and incarceration rate have to do with socialism vs capitalism?

Nothing.


Look up the the CIA Teams A, B and C tried their hardest to stop Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheneys completely fictional wars and are still up to it with the Iraq War when CIA knew the WMD claims were complete fiction The once Top Secret is now declasified and avail here: nsarchive2.gwu.edu...

"The CIA, and other agencies who watched the Soviet Union continuously for any sign of threat, said that this was a complete fiction. There was no truth to Rumsfeld’s allegations. But Rumsfeld used his position to persuade President Ford to set up an independent inquiry. He said it would prove that there was a hidden threat to America. And the inquiry would be run by a group of neoconservatives, one of whom was Paul Wolfowitz. The aim was to change the way America saw the Soviet Union."

Here's the admittance of the source Curveball

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Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials who dealt with his claims, has told the Guardian that he fabricated tales of mobile bioweapons trucks and clandestine factories in an attempt to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime, from which he had fled in 1995.

"Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," he said. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."

The admission comes just after the eighth anniversary of Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations in which the then-US secretary of state relied heavily on lies that Janabi had told the German secret service, the BND. It also follows the release of former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld's memoirs, in which he admitted Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction programme.

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Starting to make any sense yet?

ETA: Must point out I'm not for a second suggesting Dems wouldn't do the same - Obama's 'hope, peace, justice' wsa just a front for ramping it up more.

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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Have you ever been to the free-market capitalist paradise known as Hong Kong?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Arguments from ignorance all around.

When did you live in a socialist society where everything about you was stripped of individuality?
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The socialists I meet haven't had the opportunity to exist within a socialist society, where everything about them is stripped of individuality, to serve some great purpose that was never great to begin with. Human beings always end up being the brick and mortar of these utopian projects.

That's why, to add to your thesis, the only people who want socialism are people who've never lived under the tyranny of socialism.


Dramatic much?

I lived on base in Germany and then in town, spent time in the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland.

None of what you said is true.

In fact Germany has more productive workers, and the workers privacy is protected far more than in the US. They don't drug test employees yet have less industrial accidents, they can't be fired for private home decisions and get really have more time to spend with their family. They have much higher taxes but also get much more services and infrastructure and family time.

Work less hours but are more productive.

Now there are plenty of strengths in the us and flaws in Europe but your comment is just plain ignorant falsehoods.


Edit: language change
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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People who work hard and don't like their profession are generally going to be judgmental and jealous of lazy people who are happy.

The goal of any advanced society should be zero employment. But first you gotta get rid of all the people who believe that if they don't work they're not good people and God will smite them.

We're working in that direction, but we don't quite have the technology in place to do it.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:11 PM
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I was thinking about this topic the other day because I was watching a guy on youtube who was from the former USSR talking to socialist/communist demonstrators. I couldn't help thinking that these guys (socialists) are actually fighting the wrong battle! Their utopia is coming actually, or so I think and let me explain a little... I've never really seen this discussed from this angle before.

How does socialism deal with the incoming robot workforce? In my mind it makes socialism pointless, or rather socialists shouldn't fight against it and here is why...

First we need to agree that a good portion of jobs will be taken over by robots, we're already seeing it today! Entire warehouses can now be automated! Houses can be 3d printed! Crops picked via self driving combine harvesters, self driving cars (think taxi's, lorries, busses etc) and drone deliveries on the horizon! The list goes on and on...

There is a debate even within capitalism as to how we deal with this situation! National living wage seems to be the best scenario in my opinion and I just want to lay down a little of how I think it will work. Some countries are even running pilot schemes.

So, the current benefit system scrapped, everyone gets paid a standard base living wage... How is it funded? By magic? No... Robot tax... If a company wants to start reducing the human workforce (they do, they will, they are!), then they need to pay a certain amount of tax based on how many human jobs the robots have taken.

Companies will need this anyway else how will people buy their damn products? XD This needs to have already started actually! As you phase in the robot tax you phase out the current benefit system on some type of sliding scale.

We need to still make it attractive for comapnies to use robots so it needs to work out cheaper for them than employing humans... I mean this is fantastic for the human race and can be the dawn of a new age, something that is the best of both worlds! Robots will do all the crappy jobs nobody likes doing! We'll all have much more free time!

So on top of this base rate everyone is paid you also have the current capitalist system on top! Therefore if you want more out of life you still can! But it also means those people that want to work harder don't have to fund those that don't! The robots do that!

Can you imagine for a minute... No more class war! If you want to lay around all day doing nothing then so be it! It's okay! Why aren't these guys screaming for the robot tax and their national living wage? And the funny thing is, if they fight capitalism and get their way, this new utopia would never happen! Or perhaps would just take a whole lot longer!

I don't see any other way of us dealing with the robot workforce! Thoughts?



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift

That sounds like a good idea. Let robots produce. Darn near killed myself working two jobs and raising 3 kids. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The socialists I meet haven't had the opportunity to exist within a socialist society, where everything about them is stripped of individuality, to serve some great purpose that was never great to begin with. Human beings always end up being the brick and mortar of these utopian projects.

That's why, to add to your thesis, the only people who want socialism are people who've never lived under the tyranny of socialism.


Dramatic much?

I lived on base in Germany and then in town, spent time in the Netherlands, Norway, Iceland.

None of what you said is true.

In fact Germany has more productive workers, and the workers privacy is protected far more than in the US. They don't drug test employees yet have less industrial accidents, they can't be fired for private home decisions and get really have more time to spend with their family. They have much higher taxes but also get much more services and infrastructure and family time.

Work less hours but are more productive.

Now there are plenty of strengths in the us and flaws in Europe but your comment is just plain ignorant falsehoods.


Edit: language change


None of what you say is true. None of those countries are socialist.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Human beings always end up being the brick and mortar of these utopian projects.


Whats the brick and mortar of a purely capitalist society then? Robots?




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