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Harvey, now proof that AGW is real? Stupid GOP.

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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Members of the major media — who apparently moonlight as climate scientists — are already politicizing Hurricane Harvey, insisting the storm proves the validity of the global warming theory, and mocking Republicans who disagree. Even as many of the actual scientists who appear on these shows have been noticeably more circumspect in pinning blame on global warming for the flooding in Houston, the media isn't letting that skepticism rain on their parade. CNN's Jeffrey Toobin, for one, mocked Republicans who question the global warming theory. "Man-made climate change is a myth, the Republican Party is united on that," Toobin said. "You know, climate change is part of this story. We focus on the heroism, quite appropriately, of the people who are trying to save lives. But why disasters like this occur and their intensity is the part of the problem." The New Yorker's Ryan Lizza said Hurricane Harvey will help Democrats make the case against President Trump's proposed budget, which calls for the construction of a border wall, and does not increase funds for global warming-related projects. "His budget that he presented to Congress cut a lot of programs, or wanted to cut a lot of programs, that are helpful in a natural disaster like that," Lizza said. "He's also threatened to shut down the government if the border wall is not built. Well, in the wake of a natural disaster like this, the federal government is leading the effort, is Trump really going to stick a promise to shut down the government?" "Everyone saying this is the storm of the century, the 500-year-storm; twelve years ago it was Katrina. We've had now three storms now in 12 years that were as bad as this," Lizza continued. "And a lot of Democrats will say, 'you know, climate change is actually, this is the kind of flooding you would predict based on the climate change model.'" MSNBC's Rachel Maddow likewise pointed to there being six major storms in the Gulf since 1989 as evidence for the climage change theory.


The water is still coming down. People who hadn't yet lost everything, are still in the cross hairs to loose everything. And this is what needs to be discussed? Talk about poor timing and idiotic gloating. These poor idiots keep forgetting their argument that Weather does not equal Climate.

This is a bad storm. It's destruction was and is caused by explainable factors. Very slow moving, very strong storm. Nothing about that is due to man made climate change, it's due to weather. If this is the argument, then destroying it will be easy by just looking into the past.
www.wunderground.com...

Leftist media, grow a brain, sit down, shut up, and report the damn news, not your stupid theory.

Man made climate change may be something, but this isn't proof of it.
edit on 29-8-2017 by network dude because: bad spler




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:15 PM
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my only issue with your post is why do you say "stupid GOP" ? Not getting that part of it



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: norhoc

If you read the article, the leftist media was using this opportunity to bash the GOP. You know, since nobody on the right believes in AGW. Sorry for the confusion.


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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:22 PM
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I believe the argument is that climate change contributes to severity. Not that it caused the hurricane.

www.theguardian.com...
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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:26 PM
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Ummm...well...they did finally get a hurricane...I mean...after all these years of the quietest seasons ever...and with the anthropogenic global warmists having predicted supercanes in ever increasing frequency...why...score one for the warmists...

You see...it's evidence of water...on what was previously dry land...so therefore it must be anthropogenic global warming...and not simply storm surge and rainfall from this rare event that belied all of their predictions...

Sheesh...I mean...give those consensus scientists a break...they can't help it that all their modeling was fraudulent...erm graphically innacurate...ahem...purely funding associated...I mean...after all...garbage in...garbage out...





YouSir


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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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If Trump had signed he Paris Accords then this would have never happened.

True story brah.

*fist bump*



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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I'd have to ask then, what caused the severity of storms in the 1800's? There were a few of them, and they were certainly quite aggressive.

The climate scientists, the same ones who say things like what you mentioned, have been saying that AGW will cause more hurricanes and stronger storms. Yet, that doesn't seem to be the case.


It’s been nearly 12 years, or 4,253 days, since the last major hurricane made landfall in the U.S., which is the longest such period on record.

link to source



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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went off when I was cleaning it.

edit on 29-8-2017 by network dude because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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That is what the Global cooling>> Global Warming>> Climate Change>> and I guess now Climate enhancers are saying now. The problem is you Climate Change people have never stuck with one belief, you change it to suit whatever agenda you are pushing in the moment. You are bringing up a record that only goes back 100 years or so, when this earth has cycles in the hundreds of thousands or millions of years. How can you claim man is responsible when we have had a globe with all ice in the past, or ocean levels way higher and way lower than they are now and all that was long before we were ever around to influence or affect it.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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Well, considering that we also have some Right Leaning Political Figures who in the past blame the weather on Gay Marriage, or Abortion, this hardly seems like something to get in a twist over.

I mean if you're going to be outraged by BS political fighting, there are far better examples.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

If Trump had signed he Paris Accords then this would have never happened.

True story brah.

*fist bump*


Sadly, I fully expect that to be a headline coming soon. And it will be applauded by some.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: network dude

Well, considering that we also have some Right Leaning Political Figures who in the past blame the weather on Gay Marriage, or Abortion, this hardly seems like something to get in a twist over.

I mean if you're going to be outraged by BS political fighting, there are far better examples.


It was a news article. I posted it. I'm amused, and a bit saddened by the stupid, but not near outraged. I'll be sure you put you on the e-mail list when I do get outraged. You know, since you seem to be worried about it and all.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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Why did younleave out the darlings of the left who consider natural disasters as " punishment from allah"?




Islamic website in astonishing claim: Deadly Italy earthquake was ‘PUNISHMENT FROM ALLAH’

www.express.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: ScepticScot

I'd have to ask then, what caused the severity of storms in the 1800's? There were a few of them, and they were certainly quite aggressive.

The climate scientists, the same ones who say things like what you mentioned, have been saying that AGW will cause more hurricanes and stronger storms. Yet, that doesn't seem to be the case.


It’s been nearly 12 years, or 4,253 days, since the last major hurricane made landfall in the U.S., which is the longest such period on record.

link to source


There are a lot of factors that affect frequency and severity of storms. Climate change is just one which may or may not have a significant impact on any given storm.

Land fall of 1 category of storm in a relatively short time period is a poor way of understanding the impact. My understanding is that there is some evidence of increased frequency and increased severity but over a fairly short time period due to variance in historical records.

The position of mist climatologists I believe is that it will have an impact as global warming continues but that we are relatively early in this process.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: norhoc
a reply to: ScepticScot


That is what the Global cooling>> Global Warming>> Climate Change>> and I guess now Climate enhancers are saying now. The problem is you Climate Change people have never stuck with one belief, you change it to suit whatever agenda you are pushing in the moment. You are bringing up a record that only goes back 100 years or so, when this earth has cycles in the hundreds of thousands or millions of years. How can you claim man is responsible when we have had a globe with all ice in the past, or ocean levels way higher and way lower than they are now and all that was long before we were ever around to influence or affect it.



I don't really know where to start with the stupid in this post. So I am just going to suggest you read what climate science actually says, as opposed to what agenda driven web sites of either political persuasion say.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:43 PM
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I bet we will find out the methane releases in Antarctica are causing more problems than the "Climate/Bank" scientists care to talk about.

And I bet there ain't nuthin anybody can do about it.




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:44 PM
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The Gulf of Mexico has broken all historical records highs for water temperatures this year.

Heat feeds Hurricanes. It makes the wind faster and the storm larger.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:44 PM
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Maybe someone should lead the left to the 1900 Galveston flood...where the “carbon footprint” obviosly caused all the deaths and destruction /s.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:45 PM
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Man I went to wiki to check the history of past storms in Texas and is a long one! WOW!!!



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 05:46 PM
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So all you have is name calling? Got it debate won




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