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Is sin absolute or relative and is the Bible too soft on sin

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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I am still wondering why a discussion on the New Testament and the concept of sin in the New Testament suddenly veers into Mosaic Law.

For example, Jesus himself talked about the dietary laws.


Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”
Matthew 15: 10-20

If certain things are clean or unclean to eat, how do you square this with what we now read? What goes into your mouth does not defile you (make you unclean), it's what comes out of your mouth (your words).




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

this is where "rightly dividing the word of truth" 2 Tim 2:15 is important.

Jesus personal earthly ministry was to Israel only and the eleven Apostles also followed that rule until God called Saul/Paul. Peter was also given a vision in which when he preached unto the Gentiles in Cornelius house the Holy Ghost filled them before he could say Repent and be baptized, because rule following would no longer be accepted after the calling of the Gentiles to be the children of God as well as Jews.

Jesus Changed everything when he was crucified.

Though Paul reiterates nine of the ten commandments in his teachings to Jews and Gentiles, they, the church, the body of Christ was not required to follow them but that the law wold be in them and they would do it by the grace of God and not by their own works.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015




You do realize an all-knowing God already knows all the choices you will make.


No he does not. What a foolish thing to say.

And since you are not a Christian, why should I explain? So you can twist its meaning?

Keep guessing and maybe you will one day understand.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 06:04 PM
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If you want to believe the plageurised writings of a few slaves about their sky fairy, go for it.

The Bible is nothing more than a drop in the ocean of ancient writings. It contains no more and no less truth than all the others.

Therefore, use it as a rule book at your own peril. The actual information of use in it goes far deeper than a bunch of stupid thou shalt nots.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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The buybull was created by man at the council of Nicaea on the orders of Constantine who wanted a new god to unite all the people who he conquered. Since then its been rewritten countless times by man for his own agenda. Usually to control the confused sheople who are brain washed by men in black dresses. The buybull is full of porn murder rape and incest and no child should ever be allowed to read it never mind anyone with half a brain.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 06:13 AM
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originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: intrptr

Oh god I gave you a star [and I usually always disagree with your POV].

Thats because you really don't have a clue what I'm about.

But thanks anyway.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: butcherguy

originally footballs and basket balls were made of pigskin and many sill are.

Not according to what I have ever found.
The name derives from the fact that balls were first made from animal bladders (including pigs) which are not skin. There are no American footballs made from pigskin, they are either cowhide or synthetic material, but the NFL uses cowhide outers and a synthetic rubber bladder inside.
footballs
This link states that the oldest football ever found was made of deerskin around a pig bladder.
wonderopolis
edit on b000000312017-08-30T07:35:46-05:0007America/ChicagoWed, 30 Aug 2017 07:35:46 -0500700000017 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Hecate666


And I awarded You 'Your Texas' (Lone Star) even though You mixed in a 'negative' w/Your 'positive'.. Now if One were doing some 'judging' this statement would end up in the 'meh file'... In for a .10¢ in for a $1.00.

Stay Hydrated...

Shalom

P.S. I'm pointing fingers because I just bathed Me hands...



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:40 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

The Bible is not enough for people to understand how God is thinking and how he handles people's sins. If you steal, your hand will be cut off. Not now, because the laws wouldn't let it. But God makes it sure that electric tools are a lot cheaper to ensure it to happen. It is just an example.

God made nuclear weapons installed on satellites to cause your (fatal) accident using gamma laser technology, it would be too long to explain it now.

I try to explain, that God started to punish people randomly, without thinking. He contacted people to make nuclear weapons against civilians and the owners are using the satellites in a strict religious manner. It is actully a worldwide crime, but God is behind it.

This will result the upcoming war.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

It depends on the type of reality. If this is a deterministic virtual reality construct, as many in science give high probabilities, you have no free will and therefore, there can be no sin. You're just playing a part that keeps your consciousness anchored in a false construct.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: JimNasium
a reply to: Hecate666


And I awarded You 'Your Texas' (Lone Star) even though You mixed in a 'negative' w/Your 'positive'.. Now if One were doing some 'judging' this statement would end up in the 'meh file'... In for a .10¢ in for a $1.00.

Stay Hydrated...

Shalom

P.S. I'm pointing fingers because I just bathed Me hands...


I can honestly say that I have no idea what you are on about. At all.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: DeathSlayer
a reply to: dfnj2015




You do realize an all-knowing God already knows all the choices you will make.


No he does not. What a foolish thing to say.

And since you are not a Christian, why should I explain? So you can twist its meaning?

Keep guessing and maybe you will one day understand.


How do you know what God is capable of doing? Are you God?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 07:18 AM
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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: dfnj2015

It depends on the type of reality. If this is a deterministic virtual reality construct, as many in science give high probabilities, you have no free will and therefore, there can be no sin. You're just playing a part that keeps your consciousness anchored in a false construct.

Cheers - Dave


Sorry, reality is analog not digital. So I don't believe we live in a deterministic virtual reality construct. Computers have limitations. Reality does not seem to have the same limitations. What we have is the delusion reality has limitations because our ability to measure reality is discrete. Just because what we can measure is discrete doesn't mean reality is digital. It just means how we represent or understand how reality works is limited.



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: dfnj2015

It depends on the type of reality. If this is a deterministic virtual reality construct, as many in science give high probabilities, you have no free will and therefore, there can be no sin. You're just playing a part that keeps your consciousness anchored in a false construct.

Cheers - Dave


Sorry, reality is analog not digital. So I don't believe we live in a deterministic virtual reality construct. Computers have limitations. Reality does not seem to have the same limitations. What we have is the delusion reality has limitations because our ability to measure reality is discrete. Just because what we can measure is discrete doesn't mean reality is digital. It just means how we represent or understand how reality works is limited.


The highest statistical probability still points towards a simulated construct. Our "bits" are seemingly plank length. I would still maintain this is a construct and prison for consciousness.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: Utnapisjtim

I think many people's idea of sin and their relationship to sin is not correctly interpreted. So many people wave their Bibles claiming to be the moral authority for God on Earth. People love to pretend to be superior over others. But many people hardly ever read the Bible or understand it. There is a Pew research poll that found evangelicals ranked only slightly higher than atheists in their knowledge of the New Testament and Jesus's teachings.


You sound judgemental.




Please do not respond to the OP by quoting just scripture. Please use your own words and try to think for yourself instead.



Is it because you don't understand scripture?



posted on Oct, 3 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015


Consider one of the most famous verses from the NT which starts at John 7:53. Pharisees bring a women before Jesus who had committed adultery. The Pharisees want to see if Jesus upholds the Mosaic law of Moses handed down from the OT were she must be stoned to death. The Pharisees want to see how Jesus would choose between honoring Mosaic law and his teaching of forgiveness. Jesus proclaims, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.". If I said this people who idol worship the Bible would say I am discounted ALL sins. So what is Jesus saying at this point? Is Jesus saying adultery is okay? Jesus then tells the women to go and sin no more.

Lev_20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Where was the man? You can now understand that only the woman was brought before Jesus and the law plainly states that both man and woman to be punished. Even the accusers were so ignorant that they know not the law? Common sense tells you that if they were caught in the act [which must be the case] then they also knew who the man was. Then you must provide all of the law and not nit pick what you want of the law. Jesus knew the law and was not a fool such as the accusers were. The moral of the story is to first be not a judge and if a witness, to get all of the story and not half of the story.



There is a Pew research poll that found evangelicals ranked only slightly higher than atheists in their knowledge of the New Testament and Jesus's teachings.

I find that very hard to believe. You would have to have a testing of sorts to determine this statement and I know of nothing such as that. And even if there were such a poll it would prove nothing that would amount to anything. Christianity is based upon faith in Christ Jesus and not knowledge.



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