Is The Alt-Left Craziness Driving Centrists To The Right

a reply to: fiverx313

I know a few. I used to know one that is a religious Christian while I know another one that waits until marriage.

Now I don't think it will be full blown social conservative that I'll agree with you. I do predict some traditional values will be followed. For example part of the reason why the person I mentioned earlier and me (I'm 22 btw) wait until marriage is because of how risky is it to be another woman due to child support laws favoring the woman over the man. Right now we are trying to be cautious on who should we go out with because one wrong woman and our lives will be ruined.

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: pavil

Well there is that whole you lost the election bit?

I wasn't running for office.

Yet, you are still in denial. Did you vote for Clinton, Johnson or Trump this past election? Surely you voted, right?

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Because some right-wing dudes decided to call themselves that.

I can't find any liberals who call themselves "alt-left". I can find plenty of right wingers who call themselves alt-right tho...

So if Nazis Don't call themselves Nazis, they don't exist? Some mighty fine logic you have there, you passing it around?

You may as well bang your head against a wall, there is no getting through to a mind that is in denial.

Well this is basically what the alt-right is. People who were reasonably middle of the road who have been pushed right but who also don't agree with the traditional right wing nonsense.

And yet the left screech and howl about the alt-right being Nazis, stupid on any given day but apparently also too stupid to realize that for every screech and howl they pushed more people further right.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

In a word? Yes. I'm not going to split hairs and argue about whether the alt-left exists, because it seems obvious to me that that it's simply a colloquialism that has been attached to violent extremist left-wing folks to make them easily differentiable from your normal Democrat or other liberal-leaning person.

I'm not generally one to side with the Right by any means (as many of my posts over the years will attest), but I'm being driven that way. Quickly.

I'm not okay with a failure to censure religious extremism simply because the majority of adherents have minority skin color in the States, I am not okay with tagging every Trump voter as a racist or a Nazi, and I'm not okay with what Antifa is doing.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

If you start quoting things from the National Inquirer,you have fell for the socialist media,kids believe Facebook over fact,it's time to wake up and quit drinking their disco lemonade

a reply to: pavil

What would you name your movement? You can pick whatever.

The Concord Movement. It's a reinterpretation of fascism from the root word fasces(bundle of rods).

When approaching death awaited a Farmer who was weak with old age and who had numerous offspring, and since repeated mutual quarrels regularly afflicted these children, the Farmer prepared to reconcile them in this way. He ordered them to break some sticks that had been bound together in a bundle with a willow twig, and no power was able to break the sticks. Then he ordered them to break a single stick given to any of them, and this stick could be broken with no effort at all, showing by means of this deed how strong a thing concord is, and how when men are at odds with each other, a tiny bit of strength is all it takes. Just as concord supplies potency in human affairs, so a quarrelsome life deprives people of their strength.
Aesop's 53

Americans have the motto "Of many, one"; many states, many tribes, many ethnicities, many cultures, many religions, all together one nation.

a reply to: pavil

Yet, you are still in denial. Did you vote for Clinton, Johnson or Trump this past election? Surely you voted, right?

What denial? I voted for someone not on your list, never expecting that my candidate would win. No expectation, no denial, no delusion.

One vote doesn't make this a thing.
Most centrists I know won' ever pick a side. Many have been there picking least of the worst in the past, and will not do it again. That means most centrists won't pick a side.
See what I did there.

This propaganda attempt, of having to choose, has holes. Plus people with their own strong convictions won't be swayed that easily.

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: pavil

Yet, you are still in denial. Did you vote for Clinton, Johnson or Trump this past election? Surely you voted, right?

What denial? I voted for someone not on your list, never expecting that my candidate would win. No expectation, no denial, no delusion.

Fine...if it makes you feel good. Might as well not voted.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: fiverx313

I know a few. I used to know one that is a religious Christian while I know another one that waits until marriage.

Now I don't think it will be full blown social conservative that I'll agree with you. I do predict some traditional values will be followed. For example part of the reason why the person I mentioned earlier and me (I'm 22 btw) wait until marriage is because of how risky is it to be another woman due to child support laws favoring the woman over the man. Right now we are trying to be cautious on who should we go out with because one wrong woman and our lives will be ruined.

you could use birth control?

originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: pavil

What would you name your movement? You can pick whatever.

The Concord Movement. It's a reinterpretation of fascism from the root word fasces(bundle of rods).

When approaching death awaited a Farmer who was weak with old age and who had numerous offspring, and since repeated mutual quarrels regularly afflicted these children, the Farmer prepared to reconcile them in this way. He ordered them to break some sticks that had been bound together in a bundle with a willow twig, and no power was able to break the sticks. Then he ordered them to break a single stick given to any of them, and this stick could be broken with no effort at all, showing by means of this deed how strong a thing concord is, and how when men are at odds with each other, a tiny bit of strength is all it takes. Just as concord supplies potency in human affairs, so a quarrelsome life deprives people of their strength.
Aesop's 53

Americans have the motto "Of many, one"; many states, many tribes, many ethnicities, many cultures, many religions, all together one nation.

Very nice fable and a good name, albeit not very catchy. Maybe you can get it off the ground.

a reply to: AnIntellectualRedneck

They don't seem to believe me in this thread as I have some bias in this fight. Maybe now they will believe it from the actual people being pushed that direction. I Doubt they will believe you to be honest.

a reply to: fiverx313

Not a 100 percent guaranteed though plus some have health risks too.

This is why we choose abstinence. Look I know a lot Social Conservative values may seem dated but the reality is there is some that seemed to be useful. Basically we throw away the ones that aren't useful in favor of ones that are useful.

originally posted by: dreamingawake
One vote doesn't make this a thing.
Most centrists I know won' ever pick a side. Many have been there picking least of the worst in the past, and will not do it again. That means most centrists won't pick a side.
See what I did there.

This propaganda attempt, of having to choose, has holes. Plus people with their own strong convictions won't be swayed that easily.

However it's not just one vote. It's a trend that's been continuing after Obama's first election. As the Democrats went further left, they have lost political power in every general election. Independents are the largest Party in our country. As the Dems have gone left, they have not followed for the most part.

Whichever of the two main Party's that can speak to the Independents, will end up winning. This Past election Trump did that. You see that with exit polling.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: fiverx313

Not a 100 percent guaranteed though plus some have health risks too.

This is why we choose abstinence. Look I know a lot Social Conservative values may seem dated but the reality is there is some that seemed to be useful. Basically we throw away the ones that aren't useful in favor of ones that are useful.

sure, but nothing is a 100% guarantee. there are ways to manage your risk better.

i know you have to do what's right with you, but waiting until marriage comes with its own set of pitfalls. it would be a shame to get married, discover a huge sexual incompatibility, and get divorced again right away. just food for thought.

Yup definitely.


The was a time I time i was pro EU, pro SJW, Pro BLM.
Now I am anti all that.

Now every day I vehemently oppose them more and more.

Though I am less Trump "right" and more libertarian "right".

a reply to: pavil

Nearing the end of every presidency there's shifting from those who were upset with these choice. Nothing new really. Trump only brought them(wouldn't say such a high percent as it seems) in after Bernie was out, including the Dem corruption against him. These two main parties need to end.

Though, am not so sure this presidency is going to do it, might end up having more people shift back to the two parties instead. Especially if they felt wronged by their least of the worst pick, and Libertarian voting didn't work out too well this go- Gary Johnson turned out to be stoned or something. That could be TPTBs plan, make independents look bad enough, people will swing back to their manufactured parties.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Because some right-wing dudes decided to call themselves that.

I can't find any liberals who call themselves "alt-left". I can find plenty of right wingers who call themselves alt-right tho...

So if Nazis Don't call themselves Nazis, they don't exist? Some mighty fine logic you have there, you passing it around?

I suspect the reason some here are so insistent on framing the argument around definitions is due to my recent alt-right thread trying to break down the term alt-right and look at what it means based on its separate parts. That was simply not acceptable to them, the only valid definition they claim was the one used by white conservatives to label themselves.

I have seen left groups chant such things as f America, f the constitution, and f the first amendment. I have seen them scream kill whitey and kill cops as they marched through Huston. Those things hardly get attention in the media, but you can find the recordings of them happening on the net.

Are those people alt left or extreme left? I don't know and don't care what they are called, but the truth is that those groups are out of control and people that have a history of supporting the left during the elections are changing sides