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Antifa, openly anti capitalist = openly anti American

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:50 AM
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a reply to: Kettu

Lol, rich please define?!? Knowing toys on a personal level an know their doing fairly well for themselves but thats because they worked hard for what they wanted. So yeah i guess you could say toys is rich.




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 02:22 AM
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Antifa is just another group funded by Soros to destroy democracy,no different then,ISIS,Al Quida,etc,just tools used to bring in socialism,by causing civil war,paid shills



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 04:11 AM
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Yes I'd say they are anti fa got it's start with the occupy movement. And I just watched anti fa beat up a guy at Berkley on Sunday because he wore an American flag. So I guess that kinda proves that as well.

Ironically all anti fa did Sunday was make Trump right. You had a group there to protest communists and they came in and attacked them. So now it appears hating communism now makes you a nazi.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 06:07 AM
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Sorry but everyone in this thread is anti-capitalist. The whole site is dedicated to conspiracies, illuminati, alex jones fans, people against the mulitary industrial complex etc....not a fan of the beauracracy and wastage in US politics or how governments tend to create verry expensive but useless programs then you're an anti-capitalist.

Have you guys spent all this time getting confused by what is actually meant by the term capitalism or anti captilist actually means and think it has something to do with state control or communism??????

Are you aware Trump is anti-capitalist or did the propaganda from the cold war make people think that it meant handing contol to the state, or wanting to repeat the crimes against humanity and destined to fail flaws that Communism created?

If not than I'm afraid to say you've swallowed the propaganda lie explained in Edward Bernaise's 'The Hidden Persuaders' - which is the bible Rumsfeld, Cheney and the neo-cons have applied to America over the last 40 years. It outlines all the ways the American public has been misold the illusion of freedom to make more money.


It's the real deal, genuine guide into tricking people into thinking they're being offered freedom, when in reality they're having a lie sold to them for big pharma, tabacco, the government, all US system, the myth of the cold war, constant imaginary enemies to maintain power and make even more money.

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I'm not trying to defend the complete and utter stupidty of the modern day US 'left wing' as the whole reason they have such stupid, unrealistic, violent behaviour is because they're a product of capitalism gone wrong and are even more criminaly stupid then the alt-right kids.

Here's a good overview of how the US public has been exploited over the past 60 years through psychological warfare when post WW2 government propaganda had to be renamed public relations to force the population to be sheep and waste several trillion dollars on make beleive enemies etc..and how the American Dream, Empire has been in a ever increasing state of collapse and in it's dying days.

core.ac.uk...






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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: TheTory
There is one thing that both fascists and communists have in common, and that is hatred of liberalism. The fact that the conditions of workers got better as capitalism grew basically destroyed their theories. But people still believe in them for some reason.


Even the least knowledge of of history would reveal that the "conditions of workers" got better in large party due to the efforts of workers' parties and trade unions in the early 20th century.

Capitalism, which prefers the greatest profit for the least number of individuals no matter the cost to workers, brought child labor, slave wages and horrible working conditions.

Come on.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Regnor

Hmm. No.

Let me ask you this, if you seen ISIS stickers or someone walking around with ISIS flags how would you react?

For the record I can't stand Neo Nazi's either but I've never walked around and seen open Nazi's.


So, in your opinion then, it's fine to counter and suppress the "free speech" of known terrorists?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
Yes I'd say they are anti fa got it's start with the occupy movement. And I just watched anti fa beat up a guy at Berkley on Sunday because he wore an American flag. So I guess that kinda proves that as well.

Ironically all anti fa did Sunday was make Trump right. You had a group there to protest communists and they came in and attacked them. So now it appears hating communism now makes you a nazi.


ANTIFA got its start in the early 20th century.

Trump made a comment about Charlottesville. His claim was that Nazis and White Supremacists are "good people" and are just the same as the residents of Charlottesville that stood up to them.

Berkeley's version of ANTIFA is made up of individuals who do start violence and vandalism and that is wrong (and illegal).



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 07:36 AM
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They all need to get a dictionary, and look up the word fascism. Maybe they will realize they are using it incorrectly. Probably not...

I have seen very little fascism in America. Sure the Govt has some control in some sectors of the private market, but fascist is a stretch.

They are up in arms about a very minute amount of racist white people, while being racist by grouping all white people or Trump supporters into that category. Do they not see the hypocrisy? It really is becoming laughable at this point.

How can you debate someone who doesn't know the meaning of the label they are trying to slander you with? How do you have a discussion with someone unwilling to listen to your views, and debate you with facts and logic in a civil manner?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 07:58 AM
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a reply to: KnoxMSP

Unlike you, who are "up in arms" about a few violent terrorists standing up against other violent terrorists?

At least you got the "there is no racism in America" and "poor Trump supporters are all victims" lies in.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: KnoxMSP

Unlike you, who are "up in arms" about a few violent terrorists standing up against other violent terrorists?

At least you got the "there is no racism in America" and "poor Trump supporters are all victims" lies in.



I'm not "up in arms" I am disenfranchised. And when the alt-left's stupidity molds they way our young people think it should be stopped. I agree Nazis, racists, bigots, racial supremacists should all be stopped. But so should communism, and anarchists.

I am no Trump supporter, BTW, nor am I right wing, or Republican. So I don't know why you would think I would lie about who the victims are. The real victims are regular Americans, centrists, and people who love this country.

You seem very misguided. I feel bad for you.



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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: KnoxMSP

Unlike you, who are "up in arms" about a few violent terrorists standing up against other violent terrorists?

At least you got the "there is no racism in America" and "poor Trump supporters are all victims" lies in.



Uh, antifa/alt-left is calling everyone who opposes their views a Nazi or racists.

I am no Trump supporter, BTW, nor am I right wing, or Republican. So I don't know why you would think I would lie about who the victims are. The real victims are regular Americans, centrists, and people who love this country.

You seem very misguided. I feel bad for you.




Nah. First of all, there's not even a unified group that calls themselves "ANTIFA" ... and secondly, from what I've seen (particularly in Charlottesville) there are plenty of Nazis and White Supremacists trying to crawl out from under their rocks and go mainstream.

The claim, or perhaps, the suggestion that all Trump supporters are a) non-violent or b) victims is just patently untrue.

If you think the stating the facts is "misguided" I'm not sure what to tell you.

ETA: Oh look you steath edited. Well, first of all, giving you the credit for knowing what words mean, are you claiming you're being kept from voting?

Also, you've tipped your hand as to where your support is ... there is no "alt-left." That's fabricated by Breitbart and Fox and repeated by President Trump.

I stand my my original descriptions of your post.
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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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What? Really? There is no antifa? Are you being serious? I have seen interviews with ANTIFA members. Unless you are implying it's staged, and a wag the dog situation, then I may be inclined to agree.

I never said Trump supporters were non violent, I said they are all being grouped into one category, which is inherently wrong. I am sure there are some Trump supporters who get violent, but I think the major percentage of Trump supporters are not racists, bigots, fascists, or supremacists.

Also, the edit was because I misunderstood the first part of your post.
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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: Gryphon66





What? Really? There is no antifa? Are you being serious? I have seen interviews with ANTIFA members. Unless you are implying it's staged, and a wag the dog situation, then I may be inclined to agree.

I never said Trump supporters when non violent, I said they are all being grouped into one category, which is inherently wrong.


What? Really? You're misstating what I claimed? Shocker.

ANTIFA is not a unified group. What you have seen is folks dressed in black and claiming to be part of a movement.

There's plenty of false narrative on all sides of the media, but beyond that ... you do realize that there's no centralized, unified "ANTIFA" in the US, right?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: KnoxMSP

originally posted by: Gryphon66





What? Really? There is no antifa? Are you being serious? I have seen interviews with ANTIFA members. Unless you are implying it's staged, and a wag the dog situation, then I may be inclined to agree.

I never said Trump supporters when non violent, I said they are all being grouped into one category, which is inherently wrong.


What? Really? You're misstating what I claimed? Shocker.

ANTIFA is not a unified group. What you have seen is folks dressed in black and claiming to be part of a movement.

There's plenty of false narrative on all sides of the media, but beyond that ... you do realize that there's no centralized, unified "ANTIFA" in the US, right?

Not misstating, you are just too aggro, homie. You need to chill out, and quit being so reactionary. That is how they want us to behave.

I can believe what you are saying, but then how do we know the other side isn't staged either. All as a ruse to divide us, when the majority of us would probably get along just fine.

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: KnoxMSP

Friend, tend to your own issues and I'll tend to mine.

"ANTIFA" is for the most part a media creation. Now, are there small, localized groups that are trying to create a national presence? Yes, certainly. New York, Washington, Berkeley ... there are many rising groups that are taking on the ANTIFA/Black Bloc symbolism and rhetoric from established groups in Europe.

At this point, however, speaking of "what ANTIFA does" or doesn't do is little more than repeating media crap.

It is not a homogenous, unified, nationwide group. There are no policies that all members follow. There is no common goal aside from "oppose fascists" ... no clear definition of what they mean by fascist, and little to no history beyond the last couple of years.

It is ridiculous to compare these disparate groups to Nazis and White Supremacists, particularly when those groups just held a "Unite the Right" putsch in Charlottesville.

So, "brah" ... chill out yourself, eh?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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Even the least knowledge of of history would reveal that the "conditions of workers" got better in large party due to the efforts of workers' parties and trade unions in the early 20th century.

Capitalism, which prefers the greatest profit for the least number of individuals no matter the cost to workers, brought child labor, slave wages and horrible working conditions.

Come on.


I wasn't aware they had trade unions in communist or socialist countries. Kidding, they don't. Trade unions are capitalist, smart guy.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66




Even the least knowledge of of history would reveal that the "conditions of workers" got better in large party due to the efforts of workers' parties and trade unions in the early 20th century.

Capitalism, which prefers the greatest profit for the least number of individuals no matter the cost to workers, brought child labor, slave wages and horrible working conditions.

Come on.


I wasn't aware they had trade unions in communist or socialist countries. Kidding, they don't. Trade unions are capitalist, smart guy.


Do not see where he promoted communism. Alas, unions are not a good example in this country. Too much beauracracy, and back scratching going on there.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: TheTory
a reply to: Gryphon66




Even the least knowledge of of history would reveal that the "conditions of workers" got better in large party due to the efforts of workers' parties and trade unions in the early 20th century.

Capitalism, which prefers the greatest profit for the least number of individuals no matter the cost to workers, brought child labor, slave wages and horrible working conditions.

Come on.


I wasn't aware they had trade unions in communist or socialist countries. Kidding, they don't. Trade unions are capitalist, smart guy.


LOL.

Arrogant ignorance is the sweetest.

A bit of low-hanging fruit ...



Karl Marx described trade unions thus: "The value of labour-power constitutes the conscious and explicit foundation of the trade unions, whose importance for the […] working class can scarcely be overestimated. The trade unions aim at nothing less than to prevent the reduction of wages below the level that is traditionally maintained in the various branches of industry. That is to say, they wish to prevent the price of labour-power from falling below its value" (Capital V1, 1867, p. 1069).


Trade Union - Wikipedia



Trade unions are a school of communism.
-Vladimir Lenin

Vladimir Lenin agreed and made unions an integral part of the “people’s republic” he founded in 1917. “Shakedown Socialism” author Oleg Atbashian, a propagandist for the Soviet Union before he migrated the United States in 1994, writes that in the Soviet Union, “organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory” and “that system’s seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality and grotesque injustice.”


Labor Unions and Communism - Washington Times



The Communist Party USA (CPUSA) is a far-left communist political party in the United States. Established in 1919 after a split in the Socialist Party of America, it has a long, complex history that is closely tied with the U.S. labor movement and the histories of communist parties worldwide.

For the first half of the 20th century, the Communist Party was a highly influential force in various struggles for democratic rights. It played a prominent role in the U.S. labor movement from the 1920s through the 1940s, having a major hand in founding most of the country's first industrial unions (which would later use the McCarran Internal Security Act to expel their Communist members) while also becoming known for opposing racism and fighting for integration in workplaces and communities during the height of the Jim Crow period of U.S. racial segregation.


Communist Party USA - Wikipedia



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: toysforadults

Or its foreign powers trying to destabilize the us and we fall for it.


Lol y'all still don't get it do you?

It's global powers herding us like cattle, with Antifa on one horse, BLM on another, the White Nationalists on another, etc...

all working together to steer the masses into the #ing slaughter house.


Sure that is a possibility.

What you don't get is that greedy power hungry world leaders don't like sharing power. Maybe some secret cabal is planning the great culling but my take in human nature is that rich ego maniacs don't work well together.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

That seems to be your forte, stealing elements from capitalist societies and saying they are socialist, then using Marxist and communist theory to justify them. But of course the fact that unions developed in capitalist economies discredits all you copying and pasting. It turns out you're more capitalist than you let on and don't even realize it.
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