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ANTIFA, The Patriots (they're not)

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posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Gryphon66

It is time to start taking them out one by one. The people who are leading them. Sorry I did not define that I truly thought based on prior conversations you would know I am not advocating killing kids who are mislead.

A person is smart. People are dumb panicky animals. A great line from a movie that explains the current state of the US.

Fact is that you could set your watch to a protest in the last 10 years based on police actions. If a kid was shot or someone died there would be a riot. There were no large anti KKK protests. There was no racism. Why? Because there was a black president. Suddenly there is an old white guy and the KKK is making a comeback? I would have thought if it was going to swell in numbers it would have happened with Barry O in office. Instead, we saw a rise in those who oppose things they are told to oppose.

I am not afraid of AntiFa, the KKK, White Supremacy or any other hate group. Why? Because for the majority they are posers. Simple as that. Violent in groups and pussies alone. There are exceptions, and I have known a few on both sides who would just assume kill you or a few cops and had no qualms about prison. These kids in the streets are not these people. However, they need to be concerned with these people. Innocent people will die for a cause that will do what? Impeach Trump?

Not gonna happen.



Thanks for answering my questions.

JDB




posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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With all the threads on BLM and ANTIFA, you just know how bad they have triggered some on the right. I thought only snowflakes belonged to the left?



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX

Who is it in this group of individuals that carry the bicycle locks and beat people with them ?

From my stand point, it is a bunch of spoiled rotten punks who have been given more opportunities under the very systems they are protesting against than they would ever have enjoyed anywhere else.

I have lived in several countries other than the one I was born in and find HOME the most palatable. Some of those countries I lived would put you in jail for not flying the flag on their flag day holiday, I can only imagine what they would do if you burned it.

The very reason these people are able to protest and have a voice is because of where they live...HOME...anywhere else and they go to prison or a work camp forever.

Why can they not use their rights from birth to better themselves and their HOME instead of burning, stealing or beating people. Just doesn't compute in my mind.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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There is no right side of history , any group that hates someone based on their skin or religion is just plain stupid,
If you are against the government and I'm sure there are some on both sides , then find a common ground and do something about it .
The government is scared of people that are united against them and if they can keep them all decided and fighting against each other than they win .
If the day ever came when people stood together as Americans, then the government would probably $hit in its own pants and wonder how to get the wedge back in , but people can't see past their own brainwashing to see what is going on .



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: Onslaught9966

Triggered? No. Some of us are just trying to give these kiddies a warning before they are really hurt acting like revolutionaries. If they are so tough and want freedom how about we put them all on a plane to Venezuela? Give them a taste of what it means to truly try to revolt against their government.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:39 PM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX

LOL, really? the no true Scotsman argument? Grow up.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

The difference being that the nazi's had a party with power. There are something like 20k nazi's in all of the US. Out of 300+ million people.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: Serdgiam

Anarchy's time has come and gone. So long as evil exists, anarchy will never be plausible.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Sorry, Gryph -- I didn't get a msg you'd responded! I'm glad I refreshed before closing the page out...


I don't disagree with what you've said, but given the violent statements, intentions, and history of Nazis, White Supremacists, White Nationalists, etc., who have now escalated the violence level to include murder and grievous injury, I do not see the "sides" as equal. Any "side" that stands up against this crap is acting in self-defense.


Yeah, you're right, those are legitimate points that must be considered. And I have and thought long and hard about it. And while I think we agree more than we disagree, two things have me falling to the other side.

1 -- The police killings... to paraphrase, too many LEOs and their departments/superiors have escalated the violence and shootings to the first resort rather than the last resort, and the sides are obviously not equal, and it's come to the point in some areas where the citizens have every reason to fear for their lives in any and all contacts with LE. Consequently, they have every right and reason to stand up against this crap and act in self-defense.

However, folks don't have a choice in the matter if the LEOs want a confrontation. They cannot walk away. They cannot stay away so to speak. Those folks are put in that position by others. Protesters and counter-protesters are making a choice.

2 -- I said at least a few times after the riots earlier this year in Portland and Berkeley, when the violence began escalating, and Antifa and Black Bloc etc were rearing their violent heads, that it would get to the point that the only folks who would be attending rallies -- from any side -- would be those ready, willing and able to bust heads. And that's pretty much where we are now. And not by accident or by coincidence, but because for too long folks have been too willing to make excuses for "their guy's" violence and only blame the "other guy." The media has spun the truth this way and that. Even this morning, with notable exceptions such as WaPo and Slate, the vast majority of headlines regarding the violence seemed to put at least equal blame on both sides, and there were even a few that suggested the violence was from the rightwing alone.

No one has to go to these rallies/protests. Everyone has a choice. Yes, it's a right... but rights do not have to be exercised 24/7. Sometimes, there is a greater good. And at this point, the greater good is to not feed into these violent free-for-alls. We have other rights we can exercise to work towards the same goals. Especially when these free-for-alls serve absolutely no practical purpose. And, no, beating the heads of our political adversaries serves no practical purpose.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Dfairlite

Yes, there are communist, there are anarchist-communist, there are socialist, there are IWW members, there are anarchists-syndicalists and mutualist, and there are anarchists

"Antifa" is not a "Organisation" as it is a bunch of tendencies that come together for a specific action, as individuals and affinity groups, apart from that we remain with our own goals as anarchists etc



Are there some good people in all that?





posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: Dfairlite

I mean, you are either trolling or full of willful ignorance, how many times do I need to explain this,

ANTIFA ARE A BUNCH OF VARIOUS TENDENCIES THAT COME TOGETHER FOR A SPECIFIC ACTION,

We don't all carry communist flags, the communist do, the anarchist carry black flags, the anarchist-communist carry the black and red flag, the socialist carry the red flag, some carry the Antifa flag

because

WE ARE DIFFERENT TENDENCIES THAT COME TOGETHER FOR A SPECIFIC ACTION

after we continue with our individual goals

it is not that hard to understand







WE ARE DIFFERENT TENDENCIES THAT COME TOGETHER FOR A SPECIFIC ACTION



Who decides what action to come together for?




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

Communication, if people want to join the action they do, if they don't they don't.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
These are the people "fighting nazi's like our great grandfathers did" lol. What a crock of #. These people hate america as much as anyone ever has. These people despise the founding, freedom, peace and prosperity. What do these people want? Well here you go:
"No trump, no wall, no USA at all!"







THAT is not "Antifa"...those are "Anarchists"...THAT is the Anarchist's flag

Anarchy Flag on Amazon...or you can google other places..
www.amazon.com...

ANARCHIST FLAG


ANTIFA FLAG


TEA PARTY FLAG


KNIGHTS OF THE KKK


NEO NAZIS



edit on 29-8-2017 by soberbacchus because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: XAnarchistX

ANTIFA are NOT anarchists.


Weird you post this one page one when your OP shows a crowd of "anarchists" that YOU are wrongly claiming to be "ANTIFA"?

So...why are you posting a youtube of Anarchists and bitching about Antifa?
edit on 29-8-2017 by soberbacchus because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: bastion

What in the blue hell do people fighting against actual fascism in WW2 Europe have to do with entitled bitches imagining fascism in 2017 America


Imagined?

Like this literal Klan Leader that was arrested yesterday after the video made the rounds?


Or these losers?


Or the kid that was beaten with metal poles in the parking garage..or the protestors that were run over and Heather Heyer ..a proud Nazi and Trump supporter did that.

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 01:01 PM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

Well, according to Trump, there were "some very fine people" protesting with the White supremacists in Charlottesville. If that's the case then the same should apply to all groups right? I think like any hive mind type action, you get a lot of people who get involved with the best of intentions and the minority of radical instigators make everyone look like clowns through association. Maybe the best of intentions part doesn't apply so much to Neo-nazi groups but for the most part I would say it's true. I think groups like the Oath Keepers for example, are bat s# crazy overall but know some people who associate with them and they got involved with the best intentions at heart. Likewise this applies to all aspects of the political spectrum and sub groups that spring up there in. That doesn't mean i condone any of the violence. I saw enough blood when I served to last a lifetime and have had my fill. There's no need to bring that back home.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: growler

If the shoe fits......

They're certainly acting like Nazis, and they talk like Nazis, all while claiming altruistic intentions.

Yep. Just like the Nazis did.

They have become what they claim to hate.

Key word there. HATE.
edit on 30-8-2017 by poncho1982 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: poncho1982
If the shoe fits......

is a false precision fallacy.

If all it takes is to hate something to be a NAZI then the argument is pointless.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

The 'National Socialist Movement' was there, that is the 'American Nazi party' Vanguard America was there, who are openly National-Socialist (Nazi Party) Traditional Workers Party who are openly National-Socialist(Nazi Party)


So those three groups are openly Nazi-Party

people from Daily Stormer were there who are openly National-Socialist (Nazi-Party)



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: XAnarchistX

Maybe we took different things from growler's post.

He was replying, in what I think was a sarcastic way, to this:

ANTIFA: "No Nazis on our streets!"

Dear ANTIFA: THEN GO HOME!


Which implied that antifa are nazis. Pointing out how ridiculous that sounds (lulz).

To which poncho replied "if the shoe fits" once again implying that antifa are nazis because "HATE".

I was just pointing out that finding one thing in common is a fallacy and if that thing is hate then we are all pretty much nazis because we all "HATE" something.



edit on 30-8-2017 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



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