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ANTIFA, The Patriots (they're not)

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posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:04 AM
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Looks like Antifa is trying hard to sell the narrative of a variegated group loosely formed around one central idea, rather than the organized group with defined goals they are.

All part of the propaganda.. interesting.

Another propaganda piece I've noticed them pushing is an attempt to disparage the moderates/centrists. As a matter of fact, the moderates are becoming increasingly hesitant to discuss politics at all due to burnout or fear of the crazy extremists who will never hesitate to speak their mind.

Well good luck keeping me quiet


PS Leftist here denouncing Antifa.




posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: zosimov

Excellent observations. Thank you!

And good on you for taking a principled stand against their violence and mayhem



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:34 AM
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I wonder if they would be doing what they are doing if a certain Mr Mccarthy were around now.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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fighting nazi's like our great grandfathers did


Their grandfathers were having klanbakes.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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Interesting... reading headlines this morning, I'm shocked that some MSM -- not all, but some -- are actually boldly calling them out for their violence:

Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley

Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about a 100 anarchists and antifa — “anti-fascist” — barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifas, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself. A conservative group leader retreated for safety behind a line of riot police as marchers chucked water bottles, shot off pepper spray and screamed “fascist go home!”

All told, the Associated Press reported at least five individuals were attacked. An AP reporter witnessed the assaults.


A couple more:
From ABC: Black-clad anarchists storm Berkeley rally, assaulting 5

From Slate: Masked Anarchists Attack Pro-Trump Demonstrators in Berkeley

Could the tides be turning?

(Perhaps Antifa should have thought twice about attacking the media... did no one ever teach them not to bite the hand that feeds them???)



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Thank you Boadicea! Your posts always stand out to me as reasonable, nuanced, and based on a broad understanding of all sides
so I especially appreciate a compliment coming from you.

I do believe this is the time for moderates to start speaking up and to DO something about creating a unified and improved future for our country. It's almost unbelieveable to me that we seem to be headed backwards in advancements when we have so much potential!

I don't think groups like Antifa, KKK, etc are sitting back and watching the tides like the moderates do.. they are working toward their goals as we type.

Anyway, peace to you my dear!



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:37 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea


Interesting, maybe they are worried?


Blackpigeon put out an interesting video on the media and Antifa today.





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posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

We've always had Antifa in our country in one form or another.

The difference this time is that a major political party has aligned with Antifa (democrats) and it's going to end rather poorly for them.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:42 AM
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We do not create chaos for fun, we have goals,

You are correct, anarchists have always fought with Marxist, Leninist, Maoist, Stalinist etc but 'Antifa' is a single 'action' and when that action is over we continue on with our individual goals, and that is what I am trying to explain.

We oppose the DSA, the RCP, any 'organisation', that was never the argument, we are talking strictly about "Antifa" which is one time various tendencies come together for one specific action, after it is over/completed we go back to our Individual goals
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posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: Boadicea

Thank you Boadicea! Your posts always stand out to me as reasonable, nuanced, and based on a broad understanding of all sides
so I especially appreciate a compliment coming from you.


Awwww shucks! Thank you. I really appreciate your kind words.


I do believe this is the time for moderates to start speaking up and to DO something about creating a unified and improved future for our country. It's almost unbelieveable to me that we seem to be headed backwards in advancements when we have so much potential!


I think you're right about that -- and I think it's happening. As I posted in a comment right before you posted, maybe the tides are turning... and thanks in large part to Antifa and their ilk on ALL sides.

I really and truly believe that most of us are happy to live and let live. We don't want to fight with our neighbors or hate our neighbors or in any way hurt our neighbors -- whether Black, White or pink with purple polka dots. In fact, most folks want to be good to their neighbors and community, and we are! I have long expected that it would have to get worse -- much worse -- before it gets better. I think we're at that point where people are understanding that whatever issues and problems we have, violence and hate is not the solution. Let's hope this is the impetus for finding those better solutions.


Anyway, peace to you my dear!


Right back atcha



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

People confuse Marxism/Leninism/Maoism with "Communism" Communism is the end goal, Marxism/Leninism/Maoism are theories to achieve it, they all called for a transitional state of socialism and a 'dictatorship of the proletariat and vanguard parties while the state withers away, eventually the state would dissolve and would achieve communism.

But, they never dissolved the state and it remained an authoritarian dictatorship that killed all political dissent, no country has ever had communism, they have only had State-socialism, which is not communism

so, those that are anarchist-communism calls for the immediate abolishment of the state and all its hierarchies, and not Marxism/Leninism/Maoism etc



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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Technically Zero because communism calls for the abolishment of the State, Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela etc have never been communism, they have been authoritarian state-socialism



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 09:51 AM
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"The State’s behavior is violence, and it calls its violence “law”; that of the individual, “crime.”- Max Stirner




posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 10:06 AM
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Just leave the shills to their brainwashed thoughts.

They don't understand our mission, our vision.

Good luck comrade, maybe we will meet one day when the war is over in one of the soup lines or checkpoints.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Wow. Another excellent video, Seeker -- thank you!

(FYI -- I don't know if you saw, but I posted the video with Joey Gibson of Patriot Prayer in this thread that you posted in my thread yesterday. I thought it fit perfectly with this OP as well. And I gave you full credit!!!)

I gotta say it chilled my to the bone to see that Antifa is using photos of victims of domestic abuse as examples of knotsies (I refuse to give the four-letter "N" word any more power). Literally adding insult to injury for people who have been hurt too much already. That's freaking low.... lower than a snake's belly.

But more to the point, it reminded me of how important it is for the rest of us to keep in mind that there is no unified "NWO" or "Illuminati" or whatever group with whatever name that is al powerful and working together for a single goal. Everyone -- every last one of them -- is on a power trip for THEMSELVES and will work with anyone and everyone they think will help progress their goal of ultimate power...

But in the end, their loyalty is only to themselves, and they'll screw over anyone and everyone once they no longer serve their selfish goals. I think that's what we're seeing now. The media was quite happy to play footsies with the terrorists because it served their purposes... until the terrorists turned on them. Not so much fun now.

Sometimes I think it's that power struggle that protects the rest of us and keeps anyone from getting too much power.

Thanks again for the video. Well worth the watch.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Except those photographs are fake

www.bbc.com...



Far-right activists are using fake Twitter accounts and images of battered women to smear anti-fascist groups in the US, an online investigation has revealed.

The online campaign is using fake Antifa (an umbrella term for anti-fascist protestors) Twitter accounts to claim anti-fascists promote physically abusing women who support US President Donald Trump or white supremacy.

Researcher Eliot Higgins of website Bellingcat found evidence that the campaign is being orchestrated on internet messageboard 4Chan by far-right sympathisers.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 10:29 AM
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Yes I did. No need to give me credit, just pass it on. Thank you!



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 10:35 AM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
Interesting... reading headlines this morning, I'm shocked that some MSM -- not all, but some -- are actually boldly calling them out for their violence:

Black-clad antifa attack peaceful right wing demonstrators in Berkeley

Their faces hidden behind black bandannas and hoodies, about a 100 anarchists and antifa — “anti-fascist” — barreled into a protest Sunday afternoon in Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park.

Jumping over plastic and concrete barriers, the group melted into a larger crowd of around 2,000 that had marched peacefully throughout the sunny afternoon for a “Rally Against Hate” gathering.

Shortly after, violence began to flare. A pepper-spray wielding Trump supporter was smacked to the ground with homemade shields. Another was attacked by five black-clad antifas, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself. A conservative group leader retreated for safety behind a line of riot police as marchers chucked water bottles, shot off pepper spray and screamed “fascist go home!”

All told, the Associated Press reported at least five individuals were attacked. An AP reporter witnessed the assaults.


A couple more:
From ABC: Black-clad anarchists storm Berkeley rally, assaulting 5

From Slate: Masked Anarchists Attack Pro-Trump Demonstrators in Berkeley

Could the tides be turning?

(Perhaps Antifa should have thought twice about attacking the media... did no one ever teach them not to bite the hand that feeds them???)

Interesting that the WaPo and Slate differentiates between antifa and anarchists and said both were present... and violent.
The ABC article places the blame on just anarchists and doesn't mention antifa... unless I missed it in there.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 10:37 AM
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Except those photographs are fake


Says the self-confessed anarchist who pretends their violence to impose their will on the rest of the world is any better or any different than the force of government... and who bullies the people with NO power while enabling and empowering the ones with power.

Keep spewing your crap. Let the whole world know exactly who and what you are. I won't interfere with your self-destruction -- I welcome it!!!



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 10:39 AM
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But, they never dissolved the state and it remained an authoritarian dictatorship that killed all political dissent, no country has ever had communism, they have only had State-socialism, which is not communism

If one wishes for a communist system covering an area that is no larger than a village (that is formed of communists, by choice), State socialism is required to force those that disagree with the system to follow it.



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