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Prions and the origin of HIV.

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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 10:40 AM
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www.cbc.ca...

During the 90's Edward Hooper, a British journalist, traveled to Africa and became convinced that AIDS was an act of man, not an act of God. He interviewed hundred of participants and collected thousands of documents to support his theory.

In 1999 he published a book, The River: A Journey Back to the Source of HIV and AIDS which rocked the scientific community again. Hooper mapped the locations where Koprowski's CHAT vaccine was given and where the earliest cases of AIDS were discovered. It showed a dramatic geographical correlation.

Edward Hooper: "The earliest cases of AIDS occurred in central Africa, in the same regions where Koprowski's vaccine was given to over a million people in 1957-1960. I think that what we have here is the route whereby this chimpanzee virus arrived in humans."

Hooper claims that kidneys from chimpanzees infected with SIV were used to grow the polio virus during Koprowski's 1950's vaccination campaign. Archival footage confirms that a large number of chimpanzees were housed at Camp Lindi, located upstream from Koprowski's medical laboratory in Stanleyville in the former Belgian Congo.

But in his book Hooper provided evidence to show what happened to the four hundred chimps brought to the camp and killed in the space of two years."

I saw this on sundance last night. The missing link here is the "solution" that helped "grow" the vaccine was made from hundreds of chimps "blood". Most likely there was an overwhelming presence of prions in the cultures. They probably provided the original "link" between SIV and HIV.

Here is a link to some rather techincal data on prions and blood.

www.cyber-dyne.com...




posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 10:53 AM
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Okay, but now I am confused. The cbc article:
www.cbc.ca...
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From the opening of the conference arguments were launched against Hooper's theory. Then there was was a surprise announcement. Samples of Kopowski's CHAT vaccine had been located and tested and found not to have any trace of HIV, SIV or chimp DNA.

So, if there is no connection between CHAT vaccines and HIV< SIV or chimp DNA, how are the diseases linked?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracidMost likely there was an overwhelming presence of prions in the cultures. They probably provided the original "link" between SIV and HIV.

Why would the prions have an affect on SIV? What would demonstrate this link? There is no mention of prions in the original link. The next link talks about misdiagnosing CJD caused dementia as HIV caused dementia

Were not the vaccine stocks checked, as well as they could be checked anyway, and found not to have siv?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by DrHoracidMost likely there was an overwhelming presence of prions in the cultures. They probably provided the original "link" between SIV and HIV.

Why would the prions have an affect on SIV? What would demonstrate this link? There is no mention of prions in the original link. The next link talks about misdiagnosing CJD caused dementia as HIV caused dementia

Were not the vaccine stocks checked, as well as they could be checked anyway, and found not to have siv?


Ok, prions are the link becuase they are not attacked by the immune system. Virus "use" their protein as a "sheild" against the immune system. The CHAT vaccine that was tested was some of the "original" pure grade. The issue is that the million doses was "replicated" on site at stanleyville using chimp kidney tissue and blood products. That is the source of the SIV invasion and crossover. The "contaminated" reproduction.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
Virus "use" their protein as a "sheild" against the immune system.

How are they using the prions tho? They aren't taking them up, or picking up information from the prions and re-creating them on their coats?


That is the source of the SIV invasion and crossover. The "contaminated" reproduction.

But this has not been verified no? It all certainly seems reasonable, but even there, whats it got to do with prion diseases? What prion diseases do these monkeys have anyway? I know kurkuru can be picked up from eating infected brains in parts of the tropical world, perhaps thats where it comes in? But I don't see how the pressence of prions makes a difference, they are running interference, effectively? Causing the Immune System to react and be focused on the prion invasion and not notice the SIV? Wouldn't that be cuased by any disease tho?



posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 09:26 AM
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That HIV shuts down the infected person's immune system, and therefore prevents them being able to fight off infections from other sources, sounds like what has happened to this world as a whole.

Just to take two completely ridiculous things that most seem to have happily allowed to begin and to continue : routine pesticide-type application on crops (including crops used for direct human consumption), and the illegality of some 'drugs',

well, in order to pass such insane laws, or to begin such things, the immune system of humanity overall has to be breached by some kind of invaders who are not like us, and who then convince our institutions and structures to take-on illogical and harmful practices and other such evils that ultimately can only collapse any civilisation and make it a bad world to be in.

I am not saying that I disbelieve the various things about HIV being manufactured, all viruses are un-natural in origin - they have not evolved, they have been made and released, if you don't believe that then you do not understand dynamic equilibrium of nature - parasites are not natural (either, a virus is essentially a parasite in it's purpose and behaviour, tho' not of course in it's biology), I just mean that for it to be able to come into existence at all, it means that the level up above it has become infected in the same way, for quite some time.



posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 09:34 AM
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Odd. Great minds really do think alike. I completely missed this thread DrH.



Created a 'Mad Cow and AIDS' thread this am - here's what I posted:




The links between Mad Cow and AIDS have been hushed up fairly well, but not completely.

Note: Mad Cow is caused by an infectious protein called a "prion" - because prions are proteins - they are capable of infecting viruses, bacteria and other microbes, not just animals.


Here's a quick overview of some of the research:


This 1986 paper describes how "proteinaceous capsids" (prions) use viruses as vehicles of transmission...
* "Viral influences on aflatoxin formation by Aspergillus flavus." Appl Microbiol Biotechnol 24:248-252. Schmidt FR, Lemke PA, Esser K (1986)

* Dangerous liaisons between a microbe and the prion protein. J Exp Med. 2003 Jul 7;198(1):1-4. Aguzzi A, Hardt WD. PMID: 12847133

"Epidemiological observations indicate that a microbial vector is responsible for the transmission of natural prion disease in sheep and goats … ...It is proposed that many microbial proteins may be capable of replicating themselves in mammalian cells eliciting and sustaining thereby degenerative and/or autoimmune reactions subsequent to infections with microorganisms."
* Med Hypotheses. 1999 Aug;53(2):91-102. Is the pathogen of prion disease a microbial protein? Fuzi M. Budapest Institute of National Public Health and Medical Officer Service, Hungary. PMID: 10532698





The Spongifrom Encephalopathy (SE) is a lesion, described for the human beings in the Creutzfeldt Jacob disease (CJD), the Gerstmann-Straüssler-Scheinker syndrome, the fatal familial insomnia, the Kuru, and for the animals, particularly in the frame of the epidemy of Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE), responsible for the actual crisis of mad cow. The pathologic form of prion (mutated form) would be the causal agent of these SE (SB. Prusiner, 1981). Other authors (L. Manuelidis, 1995) have suggested that a retrovirus (not yet identified) could intervene as a causal agent.

SE lesions have been described on histological sections from the brain of a patient suffering from AIDS dementia (J. Schwenk, 1987). These lesions have been since described (J. Artigas, 1989) for 5 other HIV+ patients. However, a publication recently reported 67 cases of SE on 200 autopsies of patients dead of AIDS (AJ Martinez et coll., Path. Res. Pract. 191, 427-443, 1995).

This lesion appears not to be an epiphenomenon, but maybe a major component of AIDS.

Mad Cow Lesions in AIDS





"According to a study from France, "The cellular prion protein (PrPc) is highly conserved in mammals and expressed widely in different tissues but its physiological role remains elusive. Recently, the human PrPc was shown to possess nucleic acid binding and chaperoning properties similar to human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) nucleocapsid protein, a key viral factor in virus structure and replication. These findings prompted us to determine if PrPc could influence HIV-1 replication." "
J Mol Biol. 2004 Apr 2;337(4):1035-51.
"Analysis of the interactions between HIV-1 and the cellular prion protein in a human cell line",


[S52.008] Detection of Prion Amyloid Deposits In Vivo
Category - Infections/AIDS/Prion diseases



Barring the door to HIV: The prion propagates Host-virus battle
(This article available free to registered subscribers)




................Knowing the link between Mad Cow and AIDS helps explain why the Bush administration prevented US scientists and researchers from attending the International Coference on AIDS last year.

It also gives us a hint why Bush defined Mad Cow and prions as "select agents" under anti-terrorist legislation, and blocked prion research.


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[edit on 12-2-2005 by soficrow]



posted on Feb, 12 2005 @ 11:40 AM
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So will it be fair to say that in a pursue of a cure, scientist created a monster, a monster that can be transmitted and take away our natural way to fight diseases.

Well it sounds to me like a nice way to get rid of population.

Now is Ebola also a perhaps mistake of sciences of is of natural occurrences, after all it came from Africa also, and monkeys are to be blame.



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