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The United States should divide

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posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Abysha

Exactly. I've lived in large metropolises (1 million people plus), small cities (less than 40,000 people), and medium sized cities. The ways of life are vastly different because the needs are vastly different. The first time dealing with real smog will change a person's perspective on pollution, just as traffic jams on 5 lane highways (per side) will change a person's views on infrastructure requirements. And most stereotypes about other demographic vanish because you're actually in contact w/people from those demographics. So it's easy to see that the reality doesn't match the rumors.

For example, one of the biggest reasons I came to support LGBT rights is because I've gone to school with LGBT students, had LGBT teachers, and had LGBT coworkers (and at least 1 supervisor). You quickly realize that they're just people who want to live their lives and that they deal with the same bs that everyone else does (like bills, relationships, going on diets, getting into fights, debating good movies, etc).

I'm the same way with religion, having known people from various religions, creeds, and non-religions. After a while, you start to realize that all of them are just people with everyday issues to deal with. My life experiences w/people from random backgrounds is why I generally believe "as long as it's consenting adults and you do no harm to others, it's none of my business what you follow, eat, or are attracted to".

Well said dude. Everything you've said pretty much mirrors my sentiments and experiences. Once you experience the things people are always ranting about then you realize that it is mostly just hyperbole. Plus sanity will reclaim the day eventually. There always comes a tipping point when the moderates get sick of the extremism and kick them out of power. You just have to wait it out. Nothing lasts forever.




posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yep. I'm blessed to have traveled and gotten to meet so many different people from so many backgrounds. It's made me realize that people everywhere are a bit screwed in the head lol. There's simply no superior nor inferior culture because they all have some things that amaze me and some things that bewilder me, especially when it comes to traditions and food (deep fried butter, blood pudding, and fried spiders? really?).

It's like how some dudes here think vegetarians are weak for not eating beef, yet some dudes in India will kill you for eating beef, and some "tough guys" throughout Eastern Asia consider meats like beef to be cute or tame compared to "tough guy" meats like dog. Which idea is "correct"? As an outsider, I think it just makes more sense to eat what you want & don't worry about what other adults are eating as long as its voluntary.

I welcome diversity precisely because I like to see how people from other civilizations solve our common problems like boredom, hunger, housing, etc (and because of the women, muahahaha!). I think the US would be boring if everyone here looked, talked, dressed, thought, and acted the same, like the OP seemed to suggest.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: 1337Kph
Note; I'm not even from the US.


That's all I needed to read. Get lost.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: 1337Kph

The insanity in America is being driven by only a few loud voices that the MSM gives deference too.

How many black people "REALLY" want every statue of every American political figure from George Washington on pulled down.

CNN puts on one load mouth insane chick and suddenly everybody is calling for this, no, only a fool would call for the elimination of historical monuments because they are offended by what happened over 200 years ago.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Instead of making assumptions, why don't you actually ask us? You'll never get any real answers on what we think by asking a bunch of right wingers on a heavily right wing forum or by depending on MSM to present our views accurately. There are much more suitable places to ask this, assuming you really want to know and aren't simply asking rhetorical questions in your post.



posted on Aug, 28 2017 @ 06:31 PM
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Those calling for separation are not seeing reality for what it is. I lived in CO for 16 years, one state, 4 fairly large urban areas, 3 fairly liberal, 1 very evangelical conservative. How do we divide that up?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:55 AM
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a reply to: 1337Kph

I agree. Or we should just go back to our founding document which empowers state government over the federal government in nearly every way. The chasm is too wide for anything else.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: 1337Kph
Note; I'm not even from the US.



End of story...



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 02:23 AM
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Our constitution, the whole framework of our country when it started, made more sense in that era. With our technology, our knowledge and so many more people in this country, it's not the same.

Giving strong independence to different parties makes sense when there's a large separation between them in time/space. That's what it was like when this country started. But look around you today. It's not like that. We can cross this country in a matter of hours. We can talk with anybody almost instantly. Our military could reduce most of our cities to rubble if they desired, and it could happen fairly quickly if they use thermonuclear weapons. Police can patrol miles of area because of highways, telecommunication and other. When this country was founded, many of "us" had to have a gun and a eye for justice because there wasn't a cop for many miles around. Scores of us had homesteads and we had to travel miles just to find other people.

Independence had to be taken away. That's what I'm saying. We lost some freedoms for security. The same thing happens if you take 100 people and squish them into a small house. Being squished into a small space htey kept stepping on each other. Lots of rules had to be created for these formerly free people. They'll eventually adjust, if at great cost.

My opinion remember. But this is what I think primarily divides us. People who want to hold onto the prior freedoms and those who're adjusted to hte new ones. Look at the republicans. They glorify the past. They talk up freedom and free market and guns and other. They love the constitution, they want it taught in every school. They cherish our past. The left, by comparison, has moved on. They're making improved rules, new dreams, look to the future increasingly. The left wants to move forward but feels impeded by the right. And the right is insulted by the left's preoccupation with redefining freedom.

So what will resolve all this? Can the two halves somehow make a peace or do they have to split apart. Well with only one perspective we'd be a very boring people. One dimensional for sure. This wolrd, or i should say this reality, is always around the corner with a surprise. It'd not be in our favor to be a one trick pony. It might hurt. Real diversity hurts, it's not painless. The people who seek past freedoms, or more freedoms, will have to find a way to either find them, or keep pursuing them without destroying their future. And for the left it's the same. They'll always be pursuing the new way, no matter the obstacle. None of this is a guarantee there's a future for us. But since I see a sort of yin/yang going on, I think a quasi-equilibrium is the outcome.
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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 02:43 AM
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Yeah that is not how it goes.. If there would be a real geographical difference it could work. But all is intertwined.

In Belgium we have the same thing, but here we have a clear geographical split. The North and Flemish region votes central-right but the South and French region votes left. They have seperate governments and then there is one Federal government. Making politics work here is like putting water and fire together.. Hence why we have the record of longest time between elections and the formation of the government..
We will probably never split but the cultural differences between north and south are huge.. It will probably get to a point where we still exist as a country but confederal, each region decides it's own laws and taxes etc.. The only reason this is not the case yet is because Brussels is in the middle of
it all and neither side wants to give it up.

In the US every state is divided.. How that could ever work is a mystery to me..

edit on 29-8-2017 by Uberus because: typo

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: loam
That wont happen. Not yet anyway.

I still hold on to the belief that the non-crazies in the center still outnumber the nutcase extremes on either side.


You're quite right. It's the vocal minorities that we're hearing from most.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: 1337Kph

Empires run their course and crumble from within.

Sometimes it's just better to let them slide away silently...


I kind of agree. However, it won't be silent, but violent.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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I think Russia should go blow itself up.

Note: I'm not even from Russia.


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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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Good grief people do not understand that this crap is nothing but a small bunch of loons and politics....Trump by the way is correct with using Twitter,it allows you to mobilize and respond faster...However He could use it a bit better.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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So many civilizations have come and gone. The US has meddled in domestic policy, and created strife, in countries all over the globe. The US is responsible for training and supplying all of the participating warring factions and, thereby, is responsible of robbing the world of peace. The country is in debt to the hilt and the global elite are not attached to the US as a nation, only as a vast wealth of resources.

Alaska came from Russia, the SW from Mexico, the rest from the Native people. What comes around, goes around. The country will be divided between large countries. When? The US will begin to fall apart sooner then we know and it will be a long process. In the meantime, the Earth is going to throw a bunch of curve balls.

And in the end, we will evolve to become members of a galactic community so much larger then we know.

Live long and prosper



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Yeah, true ... and the extremists on the other side just want to continue to subjugate everyone else.

Where is the center?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: comfortablynumb

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: 1337Kph

Empires run their course and crumble from within.

Sometimes it's just better to let them slide away silently...


I kind of agree. However, it won't be silent, but violent.


While the species survives, there will always be a next, new, thing. When change is inevitable, it is best to make that change early. To look out for the signs of change and embrace the strange.

There are so many threads of rebirth happening: universal basic income, cryptocurrencies, the new nationless reach of social media, hacktivism, worldwide media in the hands of everyone and anyone, low cost 3D printing from shared designs (wealth without money), the advance of personal technologies like ubiquitous hetrogenous communications, the list goes on...

Historically, violence doesn't end well for all participants.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: 1337Kph

Whatta think about maybe a continental divide? Oh there is one? Well there you go!
Dude c'mon more division, more war and that means more money for war mongers. It really is that simple.
So, are you a war lord?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

No but I can't think of a time when any real change happened without it...



posted on Dec, 1 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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Fast forward 3 months, I'm genuinely interested in some of your comments now. Not that long have passed since this thread was made but still, is the US moving to the right direction?

I personally think the gap is widening between two ways of life - Conservative and Liberal. As time goes by I, personally, can't seem to find any indicator that people are getting closer or hell, that tensions are even lowering.

Republicans now hate Democrats, and vice versa.
Even the number of people who don't mind it and just wanna live their lives, is dropping by the hour. Everything seems polarized.
It's not longer the welcoming melting pot it once was. People are killing each-other over the other's way of life, belief, and even over who they voted for.

The way I see it, civil war is unavoidable in the next 10-15 years if the US does not divide. Opinions?
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