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Mars Second Quantum Radio Leak (to pre-vet images) - Anyone remember this?

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posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: wildespace
Trouble is, quantum entanglement is an illusion. [...] "Entangled" particles accuire their respective state from the beginning.


The best explanation I ever saw about it was on a TV show where they said that "entangled" particles are more like splitting up a pair of gloves and putting each glove into a closed box without knowing which one went in which box. Then you fly one of the boxes to Alpha Centauri and open it. Right hand glove. Look in the one on Earth. Left hand glove. But if the box on Alpha Centauri has a left hand glove in it, the one on Earth miraculously "changes" to a right hand glove! Duh.




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: wildespace
Trouble is, quantum entanglement is an illusion. [...] "Entangled" particles accuire their respective state from the beginning.


The best explanation I ever saw about it was on a TV show where they said that "entangled" particles are more like splitting up a pair of gloves and putting each glove into a closed box without knowing which one went in which box. Then you fly one of the boxes to Alpha Centauri and open it. Right hand glove. Look in the one on Earth. Left hand glove. But if the box on Alpha Centauri has a left hand glove in it, the one on Earth miraculously "changes" to a right hand glove! Duh.


How can it change to something it always was?



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: kamatty
How can it change to something it always was?

Exactly.



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Blue Shift




...and furthermore




posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 07:29 PM
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Did anyone notice that the distance and thus the travel time between earth and mars is not set.
It can be as 'little' as 55 million km or up to 400 million km, or in travel time 3 minutes and 22 minutes. Quite a difference
edit on 29-8-2017 by Jubei42 because: typo



posted on Aug, 29 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Jubei42

In the case of this story they were observing the rover recieve orders not from jpl in real time that overid jpl orders sent at the same time. The unknown commands were arriving in fractions of the time jpls were



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:36 AM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: wildespace
Trouble is, quantum entanglement is an illusion. [...] "Entangled" particles accuire their respective state from the beginning.


The best explanation I ever saw about it was on a TV show where they said that "entangled" particles are more like splitting up a pair of gloves and putting each glove into a closed box without knowing which one went in which box. Then you fly one of the boxes to Alpha Centauri and open it. Right hand glove. Look in the one on Earth. Left hand glove. But if the box on Alpha Centauri has a left hand glove in it, the one on Earth miraculously "changes" to a right hand glove! Duh.
Lol nice one



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:39 AM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Hyperboles

like mr.freeze from batman? if they are all dead who will pull the trigger?
Brilliant, you got it right



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 01:39 AM
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originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Hyperboles

like mr.freeze from batman? if they are all dead who will pull the trigger?
Brilliant, you got it right



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 05:24 AM
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originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: wildespace
Trouble is, quantum entanglement is an illusion. [...] "Entangled" particles accuire their respective state from the beginning.


The best explanation I ever saw about it was on a TV show where they said that "entangled" particles are more like splitting up a pair of gloves and putting each glove into a closed box without knowing which one went in which box. Then you fly one of the boxes to Alpha Centauri and open it. Right hand glove. Look in the one on Earth. Left hand glove. But if the box on Alpha Centauri has a left hand glove in it, the one on Earth miraculously "changes" to a right hand glove! Duh.


That is not a good explanation imho.

Imagine you have pairs of (entangled) spinning coins. Then you separate the pairs and fly one half to Alpha Centauri. Whe you arrive there, you stop (measure) the coins and get either head or tail with a 50% chance. You do the same on Earth and the result is completely random too.

But when you compare the results of Earth coins with the ones on Alpha Centauri, you'll notice that they always have the opposite value. If the Alpha Centauri coin shows head the Earth coin will show tail.
edit on 30-8-2017 by moebius because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: wildespace
Trouble is, quantum entanglement is an illusion. [...] "Entangled" particles accuire their respective state from the beginning.


The best explanation I ever saw about it was on a TV show where they said that "entangled" particles are more like splitting up a pair of gloves and putting each glove into a closed box without knowing which one went in which box. Then you fly one of the boxes to Alpha Centauri and open it. Right hand glove. Look in the one on Earth. Left hand glove. But if the box on Alpha Centauri has a left hand glove in it, the one on Earth miraculously "changes" to a right hand glove! Duh.


That is not a good explanation imho.

Imagine you have pairs of (entangled) spinning coins. Then you separate the pairs and fly one half to Alpha Centauri. Whe you arrive there, you stop (measure) the coins and get either head or tail with a 50% chance. You do the same on Earth and the result is completely random too.

But when you compare the results of Earth coins with the ones on Alpha Centauri, you'll notice that they always have the opposite value. If the Alpha Centauri coin shows head the Earth coin will show tail.


That would be only if they were measured at the exact same moment. Thus youd eliminate the time between them.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: wildespace
Trouble is, quantum entanglement is an illusion. [...] "Entangled" particles accuire their respective state from the beginning.


The best explanation I ever saw about it was on a TV show where they said that "entangled" particles are more like splitting up a pair of gloves and putting each glove into a closed box without knowing which one went in which box. Then you fly one of the boxes to Alpha Centauri and open it. Right hand glove. Look in the one on Earth. Left hand glove. But if the box on Alpha Centauri has a left hand glove in it, the one on Earth miraculously "changes" to a right hand glove! Duh.


That is not a good explanation imho.

Imagine you have pairs of (entangled) spinning coins. Then you separate the pairs and fly one half to Alpha Centauri. Whe you arrive there, you stop (measure) the coins and get either head or tail with a 50% chance. You do the same on Earth and the result is completely random too.

But when you compare the results of Earth coins with the ones on Alpha Centauri, you'll notice that they always have the opposite value. If the Alpha Centauri coin shows head the Earth coin will show tail.

How does an unmeasured particle compare to a spinning coin? Does it constantly flip its quantum state back and forth?

That particles out there in space have certain quantum states (such as the spin) is evident from the 21-centimeter radiation from interstellar hydrogen. It occurs when the electron in a slightly "excited" hydrogen atom flips its spin direction to allow the atom to be in a lower energy state.



Ergo, unmeasured particles don't exist in a fuzzy superposition of states.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 11:21 PM
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Can someone please break all this down in average joe/laymans terms?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:38 AM
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originally posted by: wildespace

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: wildespace
Trouble is, quantum entanglement is an illusion. [...] "Entangled" particles accuire their respective state from the beginning.


The best explanation I ever saw about it was on a TV show where they said that "entangled" particles are more like splitting up a pair of gloves and putting each glove into a closed box without knowing which one went in which box. Then you fly one of the boxes to Alpha Centauri and open it. Right hand glove. Look in the one on Earth. Left hand glove. But if the box on Alpha Centauri has a left hand glove in it, the one on Earth miraculously "changes" to a right hand glove! Duh.


That is not a good explanation imho.

Imagine you have pairs of (entangled) spinning coins. Then you separate the pairs and fly one half to Alpha Centauri. Whe you arrive there, you stop (measure) the coins and get either head or tail with a 50% chance. You do the same on Earth and the result is completely random too.

But when you compare the results of Earth coins with the ones on Alpha Centauri, you'll notice that they always have the opposite value. If the Alpha Centauri coin shows head the Earth coin will show tail.

How does an unmeasured particle compare to a spinning coin? Does it constantly flip its quantum state back and forth?

That particles out there in space have certain quantum states (such as the spin) is evident from the 21-centimeter radiation from interstellar hydrogen. It occurs when the electron in a slightly "excited" hydrogen atom flips its spin direction to allow the atom to be in a lower energy state.



Ergo, unmeasured particles don't exist in a fuzzy superposition of states.


It is called an analogy. The spinning here means that the probabilities to measure head or tail are equal.

The problem with the constant flipping idea is that it would have a noticeable physical effect.

If you assume that the flipping is not physical, you'll have just invented a different way to describe superposition.




edit on 31-8-2017 by moebius because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 04:47 AM
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a reply to: mimiathe

That's just the marvelous thing about quantum physics - particularly, quantum state... it's quite difficult, even for career scientists to wrap ones head around.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: moebius
The spinning here means that the probabilities to measure head or tail are equal.

Thanks. What gets me is that physicists take those probabilities as reflecting the actual physical reality. They say that, until the coin lands and we see the result, it exists in both the heads and tails state. To me, that's a logical fallacy.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

Synthetic Aperture Radar?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: weavty1

Lots of math and fractals. Good to see you posting btw.



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 03:58 AM
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a reply to: mimiathe

Can someone please break all this down in average joe/laymans terms?

One of the best quote on the subject and basically saying it all is from Futurama Season 3 Episode 'The Luck of the Fryrish', at the end of the race, when no.3 is declared winner, Professor Farnsworth complains:

No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!



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