Live Chat with Charlottesville VA Eyewitness

The part with the KKK and BLM arriving on the same busses shines a completely new light on Trumps "many sides" remark. What if he knew what was going on and hinted to us that there is another faction involved that wants to stir up trouble and cause chaos on both sides. Was Fields just another pawn that got sacrificed? The picture i'm getting is pretty disturbing. This starts to look more like a set up to give the media what they needed to keep bs narratives about Trump alive and well.

The question remains if we can trust the FBI to investigate this or are they compromised as well. I'm convinced that Trump is the real deal and "they" want him out at all costs. The sheer effort is just too over the top for my taste. Is he and Russia secretly pushing for disclosure? At least that is something most major countries would want to keep buried at all costs and that would explain the new cold war they are pushing right now. The majority of people would march in the streets if there is proof of the deal that was made in the 1940's. Who would trust a government that sold out its own people to be abducted and experimented on?

a reply to: Boadicea


This dog has to be put down. Be it peacefully or by force.


Now after saying that, watch this video of the White Supremacists who held a press conference today because their event was canceled.


This video is a game breaker for me and it should be for anyone else of sound mind as to how we are being manipulated as a populace.

The biggest threat to any government is a man/woman who promotes peace.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
Great idea with the traffic cams!

To me the best way to avoid these thugs is to stay as far from them as possible. Hateful people yelling obscenities at each other holds no attraction for me. But I understand that the BigSix love this. Brings to mind a Don Henley number:

We've got a whole new class of opiates
To blunt the stench of discontent In these corporation nation-states
Where the loudest live to trample on the least
They say it's just the predatory nature of the beast

But, the barons in the balcony are laughing
And pointing to the pit
They say, "Aw look, they've grown accustomed to the smell
Now, people love that spit
And we're workin' it." Workin' it

I hope the "barons in the balcony" are identified and exposed.

It will be interesting to see what charges are brought. And how they are resolved.

a reply to: Boadicea

I've looked at a ton of videos and stills from Charlottesville and I didn't see any buses. 95% of teens and adults in this country have a camera on their person these days, even when there's not a massive rally & protest that is also being filmed by live streamers, local and national news.

We know there were already at least 250-300 rally goers (at least) in Charlottesville on Friday night.

There are stills of many of the people with shields and many of them are easily identifiable or in clusters with members of the same groups who are identifiable. Aside from the cops, there were also a number of militia there until 1ish.

I'm highly skeptical. I'm still researching it but I can tell you that there is a pretty well developed "scene" out on the West Coast of hooligans, agitators and people streaming them. Many of whom have been able to monetize the activity, usually by begging for donations. (GoFundMe, Patreon, etc). Some of these folks were in fact at UTR.

Watch the Friday night videos of the march and the rotunda and it certainly doesn't look like a situation where the violence needed any facilitation.

I suppose it's possible but it doesn't sound likely. Why show up together on the same buses? I mean this is so clandestine that nobody captured it on film and only one person is talking about it but they didn't think it would be potentially problematic to show up on the same buses and just go at it in front of a witnesses to draw even more attention to yourself?

Is that how you'd do it? Wouldn't you split them up and drop them off separately? It's a little far-fetched for me. It just seems like unsophisticated, fabricated, conspiracy porn. Made up to appeal to people who desperately want this to be something other than it was.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I've looked at a ton of videos and stills from Charlottesville and I didn't see any buses.

Yes, like all of your opinions they are generated by your views on social media.

You have no idea whats going on other than your "streamed" version of events.... right ?

a reply to: theantediluvian

Made up to appeal to people who desperately want this to be something other than it was.

Perhaps you should explain to us all how and why you are immune to all these deficiencies ?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Your points are well taken and I'm not discounting them -- in fact, I'll be keeping them in mind to keep myself honest with myself! -- but I don't see it the same way I guess.

His Facebook articles portray him as a Trump supporter and a proponent of theories that Soros funded a faked "false flag" in Charlottesville, articles critical of mainstream Black culture, etc.... [snip]... In other words, Mr. Patrick cannot be considered an unbiased source in my opinion.

Fair enough.... and maybe it's just me, but isn't it a given at this point that any and all stories come from political sites with political ideologies of one sort or another???

As far as the host, yes, he does have an ideology and perhaps an agenda... but it wasn't this one!!! He seemed to be surprised -- incredulous even -- by much of what she was saying, to the point that he seemed too incredulous at times. Almost as if he didn't believe her. And as far as the subsequent articles regarding Soros, well, isn't he the 2nd boogeyman in command after Hillary??? Is there anything that isn't blamed on Soros one way or another? I'm not a fan of Soros, and not trying to sugarcoat his deeds, but that's part of the right's echo chamber. The host reverted to what he knows... or thinks he knows...

Further, in the video (which is highly edited with multiple cuts and skips) he is deliberately leading this Eyewitness through a prepared story.

I don't want to mince words or play semantics, but I would say a "story already familiar to the host" rather than a "prepared story." The host obviously knew the gist of the story, how many or how few details I'm not sure. So I'm not sure that's leading, so much as fleshing out the particulars. I suppose it could go both ways though.

Further, she describes the area she was in as downtown in an area frequented by crowds of people. If these crowds of people had witnessed these events ... why isn't anyone telling this story to, say, Fox News or Breitbart?

Excellent question... truly excellent. Perhaps Fox News and Breitbart and all the rest didn't want to hear this story. Perhaps they have their own story to spin and this one doesn't fit their agenda. (And I use the term "perhaps" lightly...)

I obviously haven't read everything available on Charlottesville, but I've read a lot, and every story I've read is short on what I consider pertinent details. And I haven't read any eyewitness accounts from anyone that wasn't part and parcel of the protest/counter-protest -- including media. No townspeople interviews. Maybe I missed them. But overall, the news coverage has been sorely lacking.

I've also watched a few videos, but none that would clarify her story one way or another. The videos I've seen show a small segment of the protest area or a specific altercation between protesters, but nothing comprehensive. I suspect the best video footage would come from above... but to the best of my knowledge, that would have come from the helicopter that crashed.

And as I said before, she didn't take any side, and I didn't detect any ideology or agenda on her part. And maybe she just fooled me good. Maybe she missed her calling and she should be in Hollywood... But I don't think so.

On several occasions, she's stressing for some reason that there are both Black and White people in the restaurants in this area (and is encouraged by Mr. Patrick to do so). So what? it's 2017 not 1957.

That goes back to where Mr. Patrick was so incredulous... as if he couldn't believe it... and she seemed to stress the point only because he stressed the point. And, again, it's all part of the echo chambers. How can it possibly be that Black and White townspeople were getting along and living and working and eating and talking together in reasonable terms??? The horrors of it all!!!

In the real world, real people do this every day... but in the echo chambers, racism is rampant and left and right can't get along...

I also believe the echo chamber wants us to believe that this protest/counter-protest was all about the townspeople... NOT outsiders.

...she suddenly remembers that she's been seeing BLM folks all week in the area... [snip]... and then she goes on to say that in her many conversations throughout the week many people also confided in her that they were KKK, etc.

That all seems ... unlikely. And besides, if there were authentic BLM and KKK in town during the week, why are they suddenly paid actors on the day of the march?

I found that curious also. But if she's telling the truth, then it makes perfect sense. They would be the advance team so to speak, sent ahead to prepare, to establish themselves, to do whatever they need to do. And I confess I don't what that would be... I've never arranged a false flag psyops!!!

Interesting thread and I'll remove myself now to avoid derailment. Good luck with it.

No need to remove yourself! I appreciate the critique -- makes me think it through better. And you haven't derailed anything. Everything you said was on point to the OP.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
a reply to: Boadicea

Just finished listening to the video. That's beyond disturbing! I don't think she's lying.

Thank you -- I agree!

This was a planned, paid, faked event. Black activist groups and white activist groups riding in on the same buses??? Armed, tossing things at all and sundry?

This bothers me greatly. It's one thing when it's a bunch of rabblerousers squaring off against themselves. They're adults and they volunteered for the job knowing exactly what they're getting into. I'm not saying it's good or noble, but it's a level playing field. It's totally different when innocent unarmed and unprepared bystanders are targeted and attacked. Isn't that a genuine domestic terrorist by definition? Violent attacks against civilians to create terror for a political end???

I find it quite interesting, too, that she says the woman killed was in favor of the statues remaining.

And yet she's been described as being with the counter-protesters. Is it possible she was protesting the outsiders coming into her town to make trouble and not protesting the statues?

So, targeted by a claimed "white supremacist", why, exactly? That would make no sense. Seems more likely this guy was part of the paid group, and hit people to further their agenda.

It does seem more likely...

THIS is a reason to carry a gun. Be armed, anywhere and everywhere, all the time. Be ready to defend against these terrorist, anarchist scumbags.

I do believe this is why the Phoenix rally didn't turn out the way the Charlottesville did... or Berkeley, and a whole host of others. We have open carry. Chances are good that whoever you target will be armed and ready to use it.

True story that seems to apply here: Years ago, some friends from New York were visiting. I took them to a Mexican restaurant, and they have a sign on the door asking patrons to leave firearms in their vehicles. My friends laughed and thought it was some kind of wild west joke... I explained that it wasn't a joke, that both open and concealed carry are legal, but that businesses also have the right to deny firearms on their premises. They thought it was outright bat# crazy. Not half an hour later, they were talking about blackouts and looting in New York City... I told them we have blackouts every year during monsoon season and looting is never ever a problem... because everyone is armed and no one is going to take that chance!

originally posted by: Perfectenemy
The part with the KKK and BLM arriving on the same busses shines a completely new light on Trumps "many sides" remark. What if he knew what was going on and hinted to us that there is another faction involved that wants to stir up trouble and cause chaos on both sides.

It does make one wonder, eh? I would very much like to know what Trump knew and when he knew it. That could explain much.

Was Fields just another pawn that got sacrificed? The picture i'm getting is pretty disturbing. This starts to look more like a set up to give the media what they needed to keep bs narratives about Trump alive and well.

Or to bang the drums for impeachment? Aka regime change???

So many more questions than answers...

a reply to: seeker1963

Now after saying that, watch this video of the White Supremacists who held a press conference today because their event was canceled.

Excellent video -- thank you for posting this!

This video is a game breaker for me and it should be for anyone else of sound mind as to how we are being manipulated as a populace.

And add this article -- Who’s behind the mysterious rally in Berkeley this Sunday? The transgender Trump supporter hosting the event says it will be peaceful. This was never intended to be a White Supremecist rally and it was never advertised as such... The only ones promising hate and violence were the ones protesting a PEACEFUL rally.

The biggest threat to any government is a man/woman who promotes peace.

That's become quite clear.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Boadicea

I've looked at a ton of videos and stills from Charlottesville and I didn't see any buses.

I didn't either... not even city buses -- but they have them.

Charlottesville Area Transit

Virtually every pic/video I've seen has been fairly confined in its scope. It's one of the problems I've had with the coverage in general. It's quite possible that the buses were not in the same space as the protesters.

Another poster did see buses leaving, however, so there is that.

95% of teens and adults in this country have a camera on their person these days, even when there's not a massive rally & protest that is also being filmed by live streamers, local and national news.

I'm assuming that once all hell broke loose, those in the best position to take pics/videos were also in the most dangerous positions. I'm sure they had better things to worry about than taking pics/videos.

We know there were already at least 250-300 rally goers (at least) in Charlottesville on Friday night.

There are stills of many of the people with shields and many of them are easily identifiable or in clusters with members of the same groups who are identifiable. Aside from the cops, there were also a number of militia there until 1ish.

Okay, but that neither confirms nor debunks bused in protesters the following day. No one is saying that these bused in protesters were the only protesters. And while the scene the night before was intimidating for sure, no one got hurt... until the next day.

I'm highly skeptical. I'm still researching it but I can tell you that there is a pretty well developed "scene" out on the West Coast of hooligans, agitators and people streaming them. Many of whom have been able to monetize the activity, usually by begging for donations. (GoFundMe, Patreon, etc). Some of these folks were in fact at UTR.

Yup. And these folks come from all "sides."

I suppose it's possible but it doesn't sound likely. Why show up together on the same buses? I mean this is so clandestine that nobody captured it on film and only one person is talking about it but they didn't think it would be potentially problematic to show up on the same buses and just go at it in front of a witnesses to draw even more attention to yourself?

Perspective is a bitch and all that... but all of the above sounds far more likely than some random woman making a claim that serves no political ideology and blows every political agenda right straight out of the water. The only folks this story serves are we the people who are tired of ALL THE CRAP and want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Is that how you'd do it? Wouldn't you split them up and drop them off separately? It's a little far-fetched for me. It just seems like unsophisticated, fabricated, conspiracy porn.

I wouldn't do it. So I have no idea.

Made up to appeal to people who desperately want this to be something other than it was.

Really? Do tell...

Because us desperate folks think paid agitators are so much better than ideological agitators?

Here's a clue: I have no doubt that there were ideological agitators there... and I have no doubt that there were paid agitators as well. This oh-so-desperate person has no problem accepting both and calling them both out as the problem.

With all due respect, I'm going to suggest that it's far more likely that the "desperate" ones are those who have so bought into the politicial paradigm of their choice that they cannot fathom being betrayed by their political heroes... they cannot handle the thought that they're being played right along with those on the opposite side... and therefore have to desperately hold onto their political prejudices with every ounce of might they can muster.

a reply to: Boadicea

Quick note. I'm always happy to read your thoughtful and informed posts!

I'm calling BS. I know people that live in Charlottesville. I know people that attended the rally. I know journalists that covered the rally. This doesn't jive with any of their stories. Not only that, but her description of the driver doesn't mesh with the actual layout of the area at all.

There was an advert for "agitators" for Charlottesville:

www.zerohedge.com...

If true... never, obviously lol. They don't admit to such manipulated events existing. The only conspiracies that have ever existed in the history of 'Murica are the Official Story of 911, the Mafia, and Russia and Trump colluding on Russia, duh!

a reply to: seasonal

But hold on, what if, for the sake of argument, theorists are right that this is what the deep state wants, some kind of intra-country conflict?

Would your advice play into that, if that's true?

a reply to: seasonal

originally posted by: stormcell
There was an advert for "agitators" for Charlottesville:

www.zerohedge.com...

Thank you -- I did see that. Technically, it was for Charlotte, NC. Maybe it was meant for Charlottesville, but there's a good 250+ miles between them, and I doubt they'd expect people to travel so far. But I don't know...

a reply to: Gryphon66

i think you're just supposed to salute your trump statue while wearing a maga cap while declaring 'the left' are at fault for everything and racists are right and need to tell everybody unabated.

fascists and antifascists bussed in together, lol.
conspiracy theorists iq have dropped an awful lot.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
I'm calling BS. I know people that live in Charlottesville. I know people that attended the rally. I know journalists that covered the rally. This doesn't jive with any of their stories. Not only that, but her description of the driver doesn't mesh with the actual layout of the area at all.

Please be more specific. I'm looking at a map of the area, and comparing it to her words, and what I remember from other videos, and it seems to correlate.

For example, the map clearly shows an alley behind the buildings on the block bounded by 4th, Water, 5th and Main Street. The parking lot is irregularly shaped due to the size/shapes of the buildings, and could be described as "u-shaped," as she did. It also seems that the alley has two exits -- one in the middle of the block on 4th, and another on Waters Street. And there also appears to be several restaurants in that block as well -- at least one on 4th, and several on Main Street.

If I remember correctly, the vehicle was driving from north to south on 4th -- so from Main towards Waters -- and the parking lot exit would have been right in the middle of that stretch.

So what am I missing?

originally posted by: growler
a reply to: Gryphon66

i think you're just supposed to salute your trump statue while wearing a maga cap while declaring 'the left' are at fault for everything and racists are right and need to tell everybody unabated.

That's quite an imagination you have there!!! And it does not resemble the OP in any way, shape or form -- hence, the "imagination" part. Some might think you're just a lying liar trying to obfuscate the truth, but I'll just assume you missed your calling as the great American novelist.

fascists and antifascists bussed in together, lol.
conspiracy theorists iq have dropped an awful lot.

PAID fascist and antifascist POSERS bused in together... there. I fixed it for you.

But if you ever write that novel, let me know. I'll give it a read!

You're welcome