The Ignored and Suppressed Opium and Other Substance Addiction Solution

originally posted by: Macenroe82
Pinched my sciatic nerve when I was younger.
Had a Dr prescribe me Oxys for the pain.
Well you can guess how fast that got out of hand.
Before long it was a $500 a day habit.

4 years, 2 months and 23 days sober for me.
Owe it all to Suboxone.
Now I'm trying to get off that.

I'm going to check this thing out for myself and see if it can get me off the subs.
Thanks OP!

Got a question for ya...How did the suboxone work on the pain? I've been on long term pain meds for years now and they're going to switch me to Belbuca. It's a subox patch that goes inside your cheek that dissolves and absorbs through the mucus membrane. I just got sick of taking pill after pill after pill after......and wanted something effective, but low dose as possible.

Opium is a combination of Alkaloids like Morphine, Codeine and a host (over 50) different substances.

Addiction is not merely just you taking a lot and needing more - the drug over time modifies part of your DNA, reprograms (makes it express that section more - think of an empty fuel tank being filled up at the pump, when you use an opiate for a period of time, it makes the tank fill up more)) it to make you want it more and more, it does not bounce back.

D2 Subtype Gene

Addiction is not a simple thing.

Before considering any type of "alternative" remedies, please do research how addictions get started and take hold with Opiates, Alcohol etc, on the genetic level before you consider any alternatives, as you may set yourself up for more then just failure, but lethal results.

Be careful and don't dismiss things just because of "big pharma" "wrote those things, paid for it" etc...just take it in heed at the same time you try an alternative.

originally posted by: badw0lf
a reply to: Doctor Smith

I just want to stop drinking. I honest to god do.

The only addiction the CES Black Box (Bio Tuner) doesn't work well on is nicotine. Alcohol and opium are a joke.

originally posted by: DaCook

originally posted by: rickymouse
Actually, these pain drugs increase the release and uptake of endomorphins to control the pain. Then our bodies make more and more enzymes to break it down and they have to keep upping the dose just to stay at the same point. It is treating the symptoms, not the diseases or conditions. At this time it is hard to block the enzyme that breaks it down with no bad side effects.

There are better ways and the better ways can fix the condition or disease. Many times the conditions are perpetuated by eating foods you cannot break down properly from inadiquate enzymes. The metabolites build up in the body and they cause inflammation. Finding out what foods you are intolerant to can help, but the person has to do this, A doctor only sees you for twenty minutes, he can't do crap. These metabolic intolerances are not always allergies, allergy testing does not work. Everyone is different, we have to find out ourselves, ask your relatives if they have ever had problems and how they solved the problems.

Wow! You had me in the first paragraph. Completely lost me in the second.

Denny

Say you do not make enough Amylase, it can cause beezoars. That enzyme actually disolves plant fibers and if you eat a lot of insoluable fiber and veggies the veggie disolves but the fibers remain. They stick together and can form some clogs in the intestine if you do not have microbes to help disolve them. But some microbes actually make things worse, they can cause these fibers to stick together more. This fiber can block the area at the base of the stomach where the gall bladder and liver excrete chum. For this, simply drinking a coca cola works. I have personally verified this works, I get these beezoars and my poop looks like it contains straw when I do. So, even though I do not like coke, I drink a bottle about once a week or if I eat high fiber foods like salads and green beans. I had suffered with this for years, since I decided to quit drinking sodas. It is the phosphoric acid in coke that supposedly helps disolve these.

I also do not make enough proteinase, but simly eating some pineapple occasionally or a half a grapefruit in the morning every other day helps. I also take an occasional bromelain supplement now if I don't have foods containing proteinases. Heat breaks down the fiber in veggies so it doesn't cause the bezzoars as bad, but it also destroys the proteinases which means that I need to take a supplement or eat them. The core of the pineapple has lots of bromelain in it but it also has a fiber that causes bezoars. The soft part of the pineapple does not have much bromelain compared to the core but it is way less apt to cause phytobeezoars.

I have fixed a lot of problems in my diet and it took lots of research to figure out why and how to fix things. A banana has lots of enzymes but I have a major mucus problem from bananas because of the latex they contain. I only have a problem with bananas if I eat potatoes or tomatoes or any root veggie within a few days. Bananas also cause me to break out from latex touching my body if I eat them with the root veggies or tomatoes.

I knew I had a problem with bananas, but it was sporatic, in the summer when I eat little potatoes or spaghetti, I can eat them more. But I would much rather eat the baby reds or baby Yukon golds when they are out in the middle of the summer, we put them in a big pot with carrots over the campfire with some onions and a clove of garlic and a stick of butter with some water and salt and pepper. Oh man are they tasty, beats the hell out of eating bananas.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

you must be kidding me, or have never had an addiction of any kind, and certainly are no doctor. Heroin or any opiate is extremely available and extremely addicting, throw in untreated mental health issues and you have a disaster on your hands.

do you think if there was some magic device out there that truly CURED addictions they wouldn't being sold or used for MILLIONS or even BILLIONS of dollars.

If there were such a device in existence 'big pharma' would be all over it, that way they could sell more of their products to more people because addiction wouldn't be a thing.

and do you think doctors want to see people hurt or dying? like every other group of people, there are people who will sell the souls for cash.

but every DR i know would give their left foot if they could cure all the addiction in the world with a box.

this # makes me furious, you and you magic box makes a mockery of the hard work of addiction workers and patients who try and want to have a better life.

a reply to: penroc3

You obviously didn't listen to the first video that explained why they (medical industry) didn't back the black box. They couldn't control the device. They wanted to rent the device for huge amounts of money and figured out they wouldn't be able to get away with it.

This device would lose business for the Drug companies and psychiatrists.

In the distant past I was in a treatment center because of alcohol. It may not work for every last person but the device worked great for me. You use it for a month. Your mood is elevated to where you don't need to self medicate with alcohol or other dangerous drugs.

Because of the internet the cat is out of the bag and it is becoming more mainstream. The efforts of the medical industry have been partially successful and most people just don't know about it.

a reply to: penroc3

At 63, the slightly-built surgeon with a Scottish burr is more believable as a Highlands schoolmistress than as the medical minister to rock’s jet-set junkies. Though she has successfully treated hundreds of addicts in the past 13 years, her most celebrated rescues have been heroin abusers Eric Clapton, Rolling Stones bad boy Keith Richards and The Who’s Peter Townshend, who frankly admits, “If I hadn’t gone to Meg, I’d be dead.”

This is the woman that developed the first device.

Britain's Dr. Meg Patterson Helps Jolt Boy George Out of His Heroin Habit

Gosh. I wonder why the media never reported about how Boy George recovered from his heroine 2 gram a day addiction.

so now that its out, how long till every doctor office has one? or every city or heck even every other state has one?


im not trying to be an ass, but if there was ANYTHING other than determination, therapy, commitment and sometimes responsible medication use, that was a 'cure'

it would be EVERYWHERE

addiction is a crippling affliction and if you could wave a wand with EMF emissions, well everyone who ever had an addiction would own one, or how ever it 'works'.

In the drug world there are so many stores on trying home detoxes, over the counter detox, homeopathic(LOL) detoxes that don't work and are all over the place on the internet, but this AMAZING device is still relatively unheard of?

because people couldn't make money off of it?

if it worked then people would build them and other people would pay those people to cure them, or the state could mandate that you get the treatment in a DR's office with a device that is regulated by the medical board/state/FDA/DEA

medical devices have HEAVY regulations and are VERY expensive, and usually require training and a LPN or DR to use them on people.

TCBS is an effective treatment for certain conditions but addiction is not one of them.


and its spelled Heroin Bayer Pharma name it HEROin because the chemists who made it said it made them feel HEROic.

originally posted by: Doctor Smith
a reply to: penroc3

At 63, the slightly-built surgeon with a Scottish burr is more believable as a Highlands schoolmistress than as the medical minister to rock’s jet-set junkies. Though she has successfully treated hundreds of addicts in the past 13 years, her most celebrated rescues have been heroin abusers Eric Clapton, Rolling Stones bad boy Keith Richards and The Who’s Peter Townshend, who frankly admits, “If I hadn’t gone to Meg, I’d be dead.”

This is the woman that developed the first device.

Britain's Dr. Meg Patterson Helps Jolt Boy George Out of His Heroin Habit

Gosh. I wonder why the media never reported about how Boy George recovered from his heroine 2 gram a day addiction.

i would call total BS on that. Someone with a 2000mg of heroin a day habit, which by the way is equal to 4000mg of morphine 4 GRAMS(in the ED you would revive 3-5mg of morphine every 4 hours) could just stop without serious medical intervention.

you would need mediation for anti-nausea anti-diarrheal and methadone or buprenorphine for the other withdrawal symptoms.

them slowly with therapy and time come off the bupe or methadone.


no magic box can cure a 2000mg/day heroin habit. period.

anyone who says anything different is lying to you. show me ANY peer reviewed papers that show this is an effective treatment for a massive heroin addiction

a reply to: penroc3

medical devices have HEAVY regulations and are VERY expensive, and usually require training and a LPN or DR to use them on people.

That's exactly why in America we have the most expensive second rate health care in the world.

I bought my device for around $200 from a company in Canada. They were too scared to sell them from the US because of the medical cartel. If you start moving a large volume of them. They don't care if it works or not the FBI will break down your door and shut your business down in the US.

All you do is put some conductive gel or Aloe Vera on the electrodes. Clamp them on the ear lobes. Turn the unit on. Choose from six modes. Adjust the level up until you feel a slight tingle. It turns itself off in 20 minutes.

Why do we have to spend massive money. Go to a medical facility. To have someone standing around posing as a doctor who isn't needed?

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Because doctors and nurses have years of schooling and experience that would aid them in saving your life if something goes wrong.

America currently does not have a second rate medical system. is it overly expensive? hell yes!

but explain why so many Canadians come to america for cancer and other ADVANCED treatments, canada's medicals system is great but like the UK, is overburdened by socialist bureaucracy


im not trying to rain on anyones pay day...i mean parade, if it works for you that's amazing but telling/alluding to people to use this device and not seek professional help is irresponsible at best.

nothing wrong with using a multi pronged treatment plan, Doctors and this box. and if your fixed then GREAT.

anyone who says anything different is lying to you. show me ANY peer reviewed papers that show this is an effective treatment for a massive heroin addiction

You do know how to do a simple search on the internet don't you?

Alpha Stim

This company has a similar device. They invested and went through all the legal trials. I bet it's more expensive than my device. I wonder if it works better?

Link

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

anyone who says anything different is lying to you. show me ANY peer reviewed papers that show this is an effective treatment for a massive heroin addiction

You do know how to do a simple search on the internet don't you?

Alpha Stim

This company has a similar device. They invested and went through all the legal trials. I bet it's more expensive than my device. I wonder if it works better?

Link

I could be reading too much into this, but it almost looks like you're promoting a product for personal gain in addition to giving medical advice without a license to do such. Your advice isn't just wrong (as in factually incorrect), it's unethical and may be in violation of ATS T&C. As the person you were replying to correctly mentions, you can't just cease taking opiates/opioids cold turkey and start using glorified TENS unit instead. Seriously, if someone with a large habit took your advice, they could end up in serious physiological distress and would be in need of professional medical intervention. The kind provided by people actually qualified to give the advice you think you are giving. Getting off of opiates requires monitored titration. An overpriced TENS unit applied randomly to a persons head isn't just dangerous, it's potentially lethal and you should be ashamed of yourself for being so arrogant AND willfully ignorant that you believe that this isn't safe and simple enough for you to just tell everyone that they can use it to get off of medications that profoundly alter specific receptors in a persons brain, their genetics and their physiology. Not to mention the psychological aspects of addiction which you gloss over or outright ignore. How much of a cut do you get for sales driven to that website you linked? Even if it's none, it's pretty despicable to try to push something as if you're qualified and then when asked to support your position, get defensive and tell others to google it instead of supporting your quack medicine. Well done you quack.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

no just years of first hand experience, and seeing addiction destroy people no matter what you try to do to help them.

I asked you for ONE reputable peer reviewed paper that shows a cure for addiction via any device. ONE.

i can save you the time, there isn't one because it doesn't really exist. at least in the medical field.


Like i said, if it works for you then that's all that matters for you.

But anyone with a life threatening condition should seek professional help and advice. If your doctor thinks this device or ones like it won't do any harm then i say why not use them together.

you are the one who seems to reject out of hand any professional medical help.

a reply to: peter vlar




they are obviously trying to sell this box to down on their luck people desperate for a cure using ATS to add some sort of legitimacy from a 'real person that this product helped'


i asked for EVIDENCE, not some youtube video. and got nothing.

this should be removed from the site as it is promoting dangerous and potentially deadly advice, i think i'll let the mods know. first time for me doing so.

a reply to: penroc3

Oh, I absolutely agree that this is a predatory OP and should be removed. I've alerted the thread so it's in the hands of Mods now. It's pretty appalling to me that people will prey upon those desperate to kick a habit and want an easy way out for a variety of reasons. I know the people the oP is preying upon, I've driven them to the hospital, revived them and hugged their parents at funerals for years now so I take it a little personally when I see someone abusing ATS so that they can play Doctor and feel good about their own inadequacies.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

so the people who disagree with you are shills? lol excuse me? i have a good reputation on this site and it will take allot more weight then you could ever swing at me to damage that.


you are at best a really under educated person and at worst a murder. even if you have part in the death of one person because they used your devices instead of going to a doctor you should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.

i even said to you that as long as you are under a doctors supervision and they agree there is no risk to your health then go right on and use your box.

if someone came to me with this box and asked me if it was safe i would send them to the medical device store for a TENS unit (has allot more setting than 6 and less than 200$) and tell them have at it, as long as they go to counseling and do whatever their treatment plan is.


you are the definition of a shill, you are shilling for this magic box.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

The only shill is the one pushing a product and pretending to be a doctor while giving medical advice sans licensing. Being concerned for the well being of people who may be desperate enough to try your advice only to end up declaring bankruptcy when they wake up in the hospital after having a seizure because they can't afford the hospital or legal bills incurred from your snake oil scam.

You've provided nothing to support or substantiate your magical product which at the end of the day is an overpriced TENS unit that I already own but paid a fraction of the cost of your special low priced version. Enjoy your boating. On your way out, stop and get yourself a library card or enroll in some 101 level courses at the local Community College. Losing the willful ignorance and ditching the fake doctor routine are good steps, educating yourself a little is even better. But hey, feel free to insult people to distract from the fact that you can't back up a damned claim you're making in this thread despite the air of authority you attempt to paint it with. At least you know that you're incapable of supporting your claims and haven't embarrassed yourself with some ridiculous citations. Yet.

a reply to: penroc3

Nail on the head. I've got a TENS unit at home and didn't pay anywhere near $200 for it which apparently is the cost for a low end version of what the OP is pimping out here as a snake oil cure all for everything. If it did anything remotely similar to the claims they make, it should be simple to providea couple of legitimate peer reviewed citations supporting the contention the OP seems to believe so strongly. Instead, they resort to insults and deflection. Typical internet troll strategy.