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Arpaio is Free

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posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: buster2010

Where, in the Constitution, are Illegal Aliens given protections under the Law? Huh?

It's a real struggle not going out to look for a meme to insult you with.


Where in the US Constitution does it say that the rights enumerated within it only apply to US citizens?


In the Preamble. we the people of the United states. Its that clear.

Here is a link also exlaining about th e14th amendment as well if you actually scroll down and read.
Constitutional comment on Illegal immigration

Yeah I know its from red state BUT it does have factual evidence even if you dont admit it or agree with it.




posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

If you want to get technical it doesn't say we the citizens of the United States. Mexicans are people too.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 03:57 PM
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Was Arpaio convicted of mistreating inmates?

I thought he was convicted of contempt of court.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: ItsNotIronic
Was Arpaio convicted of mistreating inmates?

I thought he was convicted of contempt of court.

The Liberals are trying to make far more of it than what it is. They're lying to the boards and themselves as is typical.

I think their ability to argue has finally petered out and they're just embarrassing themselves at this point.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: Snarl

The Liberals


Its always a straight line of librals and conservative with you Americans isn't it?

Like both are homogenous groups of brainless drones that have to 100% agree on all matters.

Everything has to be pigeon holed.


No wonder your nation is so divided and tearing itself apart.
edit on 27-8-2017 by Phonixfromtheashes because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Snarl

Weird way to say yes, I'll give you that.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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Isn't the very idea of our constitution that every human being have in-born (god given for those believers) rights, and anything that is not specifically stated in the constitution rests within the people?

Anyone who treats fellow human being as subhuman is a monster and by pardoning such a guy President picked his poison and he is not on the side of American people.

I thought compassion for the fellow human being is the essence of civilized society. How can you call yourself a civilized society when you treat the inmates (even if you are not charged with a crime) as cattle?

Then there is a illegal asset forfeiture even if you wrongly accused, and only recourse is to go to court to get your money back, the same court our POTUS is undermining now.

Our rights as a human being is getting trampled by our own president and people are cheering for him for 'Make America police state'?



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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The police have the power to detain suspected criminals for questioning if they have reasonable suspicion.

Were Arpaio's detainments reasonable?

I think the answer depends on whether Arpaio was getting solid results, or was he searching for a needle in a haystack?



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: yuppa

If you want to get technical it doesn't say we the citizens of the United States. Mexicans are people too.


Oh no no. Lets get super intricately technical.

WE THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

THATS VERBATIM. NO if and or buts. It does not say Illegals or foreighn people.

It didnt say we the people of the world. it didnt say we the people of north america. It certainly does not say we the people of mexico either.

SO please stop Making up lies and exceptions that do not exist.

The second reference is located in the 14th Amendment stating that , “All persons born or naturalized in the United States,” are, “citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Are Illegals born in the US who cross the border? Have they became citizens? No they have not.

The key thought in the 14th Amendment which along with several other provisions established in the Constitution shows that the intent of the Framers was that only citizens of the United States whether born or naturalized are granted the rights and privileges that are available in America.

While Congress has the Constitutional authority to establish laws of naturalization or immigration they do not have a true Constitutional authority to create blanket legislation that allows non – citizens the rights of born or naturalized Americans. In other words amnesty is technically unconstitutional because it bypasses the laws which are established for immigrants to become American citizens.

There is no Ambiguity here. Those who say the 14th allows them american rights is a dam liar or seriously mis informed.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: VimanaExplorer
Isn't the very idea of our constitution that every human being have in-born (god given for those believers) rights, and anything that is not specifically stated in the constitution rests within the people?

Anyone who treats fellow human being as subhuman is a monster and by pardoning such a guy President picked his poison and he is not on the side of American people.

I thought compassion for the fellow human being is the essence of civilized society. How can you call yourself a civilized society when you treat the inmates (even if you are not charged with a crime) as cattle?

Then there is a illegal asset forfeiture even if you wrongly accused, and only recourse is to go to court to get your money back, the same court our POTUS is undermining now.

Our rights as a human being is getting trampled by our own president and people are cheering for him for 'Make America police state'?





Umm No i think you are confusing the declaration of independence there.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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Speaking of the Fourteenth Amendment:



No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

It was written in 1787, I think. Did we have a Mexican border?.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: Trueman

As he should be. He did nothing wrong, other than his "job". This just shows that President Trump is not only an American, but also a good leader! I'm glad we have "Presidential Parden" as "law". Good people get condemned by "revolutionary/progressive" thinkers and get sucked into the abyss of political "justice".... The good Sheriff, lives to fight, another day. The judge that "convicted" him needs to go back to judge school, or learn to pump gas and wash windshields. Any idiot can buy a black nightgown.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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Trump can't pardon him from civil suits.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

It's already been determined that a brief detainment does not violate the 14th amendment.

Now, if Arizona made a law that said certain people have less rights in some way, then the 14th amendment would apply.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 06:47 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: Trueman

Anyone who supports this while also vehemently denouncing "illegal immigrants" as breaking the law simply by being here is a hypocrite. Period.

You can't pick and choose the illegal activity of your choice.

You're welcome.


The Dems do it all the time.

You're welcome.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: yuppa


originally posted by: Gryphon66
Speaking of the Fourteenth Amendment:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


What Gryphon66 said!


Does the U.S. Constitution apply to foreigners in America? Can a foreigner refer to the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution?


Yes.  The "mostly" and by "mostly", I mean "almost entirely".  The reason for this is because of what the Framers of the Constitution believed.  They did not believe that the "Constitution granted rights" but that those rights already existed as part of the natural order of who we are and that it merely "enshrined them" and prevented the government from encroaching on them.  You have those rights regardless of what the US government says.  The Constitution isn't about the citizens, it's about the government and framing the function of the government.  Thus, as a human, you have those rights naturally by merely existing, the Constitution is there to prevent the government from stepping on those inalienable rights. 

There are specific instances where non-legal residents don't have those rights and they mostly pertain to specifics that are reserved for citizens.  The right to vote and participate in government, for example, is just for citizens.  The obligation and right to serve on a jury is for citizens.  The "right to bear arms" is seen as a function of permanent residents and citizens (you cannot bring your weapons across the border into the US).  Otherwise, you're protected the same as a permanent resident or citizen when you're in the US.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: ItsNotIronic
a reply to: Gryphon66

It's already been determined that a brief detainment does not violate the 14th amendment.

Now, if Arizona made a law that said certain people have less rights in some way, then the 14th amendment would apply.



Police can’t bring charges against a suspect. Only a prosecutor has the ability to charge a person with a crime.
It may take some time after an arrest before charges are made. But how long can they hold you before there is a violation of your rights?
In most states, prosecutors have up to 72 hours to bring charges. But certain states, including California, give prosecutors only 48 hours before they must file charges or release the suspect.
blogs.findlaw.com...



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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Don't want to be locked up. Don't come to America illegally. It's really just that simple. REALLY.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: Phonixfromtheashes

I mean, if he is guilty, convict him before he is old. Once a person is old, don't bother convicting him. Clear?




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