Come on man. You know that Saddam was well on his way to brutality and hatred long before the US funded him. I know you can come up with better ideas than that. Bin Laden on the other hand is disputable. His life is a little more mysterous. Unlike Saddam, Bin Laden didn't shoot his teacher. So Bin Laden maybe, but Saddam???? No way. It had nothing to do with the Uncle Sam and everything to do with Uncle Khairallah.


Bin Laden had deep seeded hate for the West and it's support for Israel. So we can't blame American money laundering to Bin Laden. We can blame American money laundering period. Especially in the case of Israel. Which is by the way a criminal state in every sense of the meaning.


Abraham

Simple...eliminate the root of the problem. So what's the root? That's easy too, perceived bias towards Isreal by the US, whilst ignoring the wishes of arab nations. The US is the most powerful nation in the world. The arabs know this. So, when the US is always on Isreal's side, naturally, there will be militant arabs stating that the friend of my enemy, is likewise my enemy.

If we were to be more diplomatic and level-dealing with arab nations, as we are with Isreal, then the basis that forms and creates Osamas and Saddams, would be gone....

the U.S. wanted Saddam in power, they also supplied him the supposed WMDs and chemical/biological weapons which they have now invaded Iraq for. technically the U.S. didn't care at all for the suffering of Iraqi people, the same with Afghanistan. the U.S. promised after both attacks [or should i say invasions] that they would help rebuild and formualte a constructive and safe state for both Afghanistan and Iraq - false, nothing but lies.

as for Bin Laden, we know he was trained by CIA agents and we also know that the Taliban was previously put into power by the U.S.

i am sorry to say but i think people should stop trying to make demons of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden and begin to question the people pointing the finger of blame. if anything is for sure it's that the U.S. creates this drive for fear in order to gain what it wants. you want to stop terrorism? then stop the government's corruption... funny thing is people never learn.

remember the same has happened through out history and the U.S. has always managed to squirm their way into the dark alleys of every tale.

Originally posted by exwunpi
the U.S. wanted Saddam in power, they also supplied him the supposed WMDs and chemical/biological weapons which they have now invaded Iraq for. technically the U.S. didn't care at all for the suffering of Iraqi people, the same with Afghanistan. the U.S. promised after both attacks [or should i say invasions] that they would help rebuild and formualte a constructive and safe state for both Afghanistan and Iraq - false, nothing but lies.

as for Bin Laden, we know he was trained by CIA agents and we also know that the Taliban was previously put into power by the U.S.

i am sorry to say but i think people should stop trying to make demons of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden and begin to question the people pointing the finger of blame. if anything is for sure it's that the U.S. creates this drive for fear in order to gain what it wants. you want to stop terrorism? then stop the government's corruption... funny thing is people never learn.

remember the same has happened through out history and the U.S. has always managed to squirm their way into the dark alleys of every tale.

I will respond later, I have some talking to do. But I won't give you hell like everyone else. I try not to be a firestarter.

i don't understand, people will give me hell for my above statement for what reason?

[firstly i meant no offense to any Americans, i am merely targetting the American political system]

1 - they can't accpet the truth perhaps?

2 - are afraid to hear the other side of the story?

i personally don't think all of a sudden it is Bush's fault, i actually don't believe he has anything to do with anything. he seems more like a public relations puppet to keep the public at bay. it's the entire political system that gets me, a supposed "Democracy," show me where this democracy is - and then i shall accept justice.

patriotism is a tool for the blind, don't be fooled people.

thanks for the words Abrham i'm not here to insult individuals or cause trouble. i'm here to voice my thoughts and share with others.

people tend to always want to be grouped, i always separate the person from the group - if anyone feels insulted by words then i guess that's their own defect.

[Edited on 1-7-2003 by exwunpi]

You will catch hell because you implied that Saddam and Bin Laden are not monsters. You know two wrongs don't make a right.

ah i never implied they were not monsters, but i won't say they are either.

i merely said it is no use pointing fingers at blame to something you have committed yourself to. [in reference to my post]

men make their own monsters out of fancy, but in reality the only monster is fear.

Originally posted by exwunpi
ah i never implied they were not monsters, but i won't say they are either.

i merely said it is no use pointing fingers at blame to something you have committed yourself to. [in reference to my post]

men make their own monsters out of fancy, but in reality the only monster is fear.

Monsters are breed by fear. Go read my post on gang wars. It shows quite clearly has this is done. Monsters like Saddam are nothing but chickens. They fear everything and everyone. Therefore they install the greatest fear they can create. Would you agree that Saddam was scared and fearful???

I think that eliminating the horrible poverty in third world countries would go a long way toward eliminating the ill feelings that these poor people feel. When ones life and surroundings are so bad and one sees no way out, then they seek a scapegoat to blame for their situation. I believe the rich nations and individuals have a responsibility to the poor nations and people of the world. I know it is not a crime to hoard wealth, but it should be. I realize there are some hard core capitalitsts here who are going to disagree and say that rich folks and nations have earned every penny they have and can do with it what they will, but intelligent people know that people acquire huge amounts of wealth by taking advantage of their fellow man. People who love and respect their fellow man and give them the due that belongs to them do not get to be billionaires.