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The Liberals, Democrat's, Antifa and the Democratic Socialist are the New Nazi's

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posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




I already live in one. The US.


I stated earlier that the US constitution in general, the 14th amendment in particular, is exactly contrary to socialism with its protection of property.

How is the US a socialist country?
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posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 06:09 PM
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What this thread highlights is how inadequate the traditional idea of a simple left/right paradigm actually is. The idea that fascism is an extreme form of typical right-wing politics is frankly absurd. Fascism has always been about the individual being subsumed to the greater good of the state. It relies on the idea of a huge, all powerful government apparatus. It is as far from traditional right-wing politics as one can get.

Let's not forget; the clue was in the name: NATIONAL SOCIALISTS.

Hitler's only economic platform was an anti-capitalist one. Since when did the right reject capitalism?

The very trope that Nazis are right wing is primarily a result of Stalin's denunciations.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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a reply to: cheesyleps

It could be possible this ANTIFA group could grow into NAZISM...They both seem evil from what I have seen.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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How many times is the same inane ignorant "but uh, they had "socialist" right there in their name" argument going to be made?

Give it up. Hitler, Goebbels and the rest are on record as saying that their "socialism" was really nothing more than nationalism.

As are most authoritarian ideologies that praise the state and the nation and the cult of the leader above all else.

The only thing Hitler required of the industrialists is that they served the interests of the Reich first. Again, he's on the record as saying repeatedly that those who had risen to the highest levels of corporate power had done so because of their superior race. He repeats over and over that the Nazi's socialism is not Marxism, and he repeats over and over again that they aren't out to do away with private property.

So give it a rest.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 12:13 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You do realize there is something you don't take into account at all. Left and right is far different in the states then it is in Europe. Nazis would have been to the left of every political party in the states in world War 2. However they were the far right compared to communism. Here's what I mean people like Sanders is considered the left however he believes in private property. The nazis believed all corporations must serve the state. So this would mean even Bernie would be considered right wing compared to Nazis.

From a European perspective they look at Nazis by saying well they suppressed labor unions and saw the people as a means to prop up the state. But know who else did this Stalin played the exact same card. Trotsky considered fascism to be right-wing socialism or middle-class socialism. So the left right devide in Europe was very narrow within socialism. In fact communism will always lead to nationalism. Look at North Korea great example it started out a communist regime and moved right into nazi territory.

Mussolini the man that invented fascism was a Marxist his whole life. And he saw fascists as the next logical step. Could argue Stalin did as well since he adopted many of their tactics.

So claiming Nazis are fAR right just depends on what perspective your viewing from. From anyone in the USA they saw it as being born from left wing ideally of socialism and it was.let's hear what Hitler had to say on the issue shall we.




 “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”

– Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927.




Does this sound like the right in the US today I think not. Your entire argument is based off a euro centric belief. At the time there was nothing like Republicans in Europe the closest would have been the Laissez-faire capitolists.which the nazis hated.
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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 12:36 AM
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Saved your for last the founding fathers were bot socialists and even took steps to make sure it would nevery take seed. When you read the federalist papers they saw socialism as an evil that would destroy the country.

Socialism places the collective “good” over the well-being of the individual, meaning that for it to work, there must be a mechanism in place so that the government can “make people with ‘too much’ give up things so that people with ‘too little’ receive those same things.”

As the federalist papees saw things socialism robs men and women of “the fruits of their creativity, intelligence and labor” — thus taking away the incentive for people to work hard. 



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 02:16 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

The way Capitalism and the work structure is set up, bosses and owners 'Rob the workers of the fruit of their labour'



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 04:00 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults




The Liberals, Democrat's, Antifa and the Democratic Socialist are the New Nazi's


is it wrong to laugh at the mentally ill?



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 04:06 AM
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As the federalist papees saw things socialism robs men and women of “the fruits of their creativity, intelligence and labor” — thus taking away the incentive for people to work hard. 


Our current system has taken away the incentive for people to work hard and it is called capitalism .....seems to me the "ism" is born of failure regardless of which letters are put in front of it.

No matter which way the pendulum swing the "average joe" loses because those making the rules and laws are not average joes.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: dragonridr

The way Capitalism and the work structure is set up, bosses and owners 'Rob the workers of the fruit of their labour'
I'm sorry if the best you have ever done is minimum wage. However the better you are at your job the more money you will make. People can't rob you if your good at your job and you strive to learn and make yourself even more valuable. This is done through skill or education you can't sit back and just expect to get paid. That is socialism and leads to mediocre.

I wored two jobs putting myself through college one to pay bills the other to pay for college. I made myself highly sought after in the job market and now make a six figure salary. Why simple I didn't settle for a 10 an hour job I worked to achieve more. Under socialism what would be the point. I couldn't advance myself past my assigned station.

If you ever want to earn above minimum wage your going to need to strive to be better at your chosen career. I don't care if you flop burgers you get good at it you make more money. Even in college I ran a store. As manager I paid the employees well when they did their jobs because I wanted them to stay. Others would ask for raises I would decline because they were barely competent at the job. In your worlds the guy that shows up 15 min late. Or you constantly have to get him out of t he break room. Or just decides to dissappear when it gets busy. And you think he should get paid the same as people who are dedicated to their job?



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 07:27 AM
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Actually, I do realize minor differences in political terminology between the US and Europe. I also understand that the terms have evolved and changed over time since they were coined in the late 18th century.

So drop the "you don't understand" schtick.

The terms weren't even used in American politics at the time of the Founders; ever hear of Jefferson or Hamilton or anyone else talking about Right and Left? No? President Washington in his Farewell Address WARNED US about the rise of political parties and that they would ultimately tear the US apart.

Yet, even in America, we can still see the so-called "European" themes clearly even though they didn't use the terms.

The Federalists wanted a strong central government and a legal hierarchy based on wealth and property, all of which are right-wing concepts.

The Democratic-Republicans were more interested in distributed government and the rights of individuals, all of which are left-wing concepts.

The Federalists died off or became Whigs. The Democrats dropped the Republican off their name, and the Whigs were replaced by Republicans.

Lincoln is considered the "founder" of the Republican party. Are you claiming that Lincoln was "small government"?

Horse pucks.

I'm not going into the nonsense about Mussolini and Hitler being socialists or Marxists again. They weren't, they said they weren't ... it's a lie.

I've long suggested that we drop the terms "left and right" entirely ... and instead go with the real determinants of authoritarianism and liberalism (or libertarianism). This tells you over time who is really on which "side." Also, look at what they want to use government power for. If it's militarism and nationalism, it's more right-wing. If it's social services and individual rights, it's more left-wing.

The problem in the US is that BOTH parties are really center right-wing. Democrats and Republicans BOTH support the power of government WHEN THEIR RESPECTIVE PARTIES ARE IN POWER. A classic example would be the move of Thomas Jefferson from left to right after he became President.

Power and the exercise thereof is authoritarian and "right wing."

For example, so many at ATS did everything over the last eight years except call for Presidential assassination and civil war, and some of them even did that. Why? A Democrat was in the White House and worse than that, he was Black.

Now, however, gasp, suddenly The President should be respected and admired and worshipped REGARDLESS of his stupid and incompetent acts. Why? Because he's a Republican! Executive Orders are back in favor, which this time last year they were all the acts of a tyrant.

It's absurd, really, to see the switch, and it's sad to see the hypocrisy.

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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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Then how do you explain Hitler saying several times he's a socialist? But yet you wanted to claim this was far right? I do agree with you in one respect the left right perdium isn't a curate when discussing US politics. But again you make thus claim and then go back to the same tired argument.I consider myself in many respects part socialist I believe people should expect their govt to look out for society. Provide healthcare and yes even a safety net for the it's citizens. We shouldn't have people die because they can't afford necessities.

However unlike you I don't lie to myself trying to push this left right perdium because I fond Nazis revolting. Yes Nazis are evil but so is communism they are different sides of the same coin. Both are authoritarian out of necessity. Your so busy trying to change history because you feel Nazis can't be part of your history. Well they are get used to it but if it makes you feel better nazis were extreme fascists. Italy actually worked with communists as their ideals were so close.

The part about Trump who cares you want to make some strange equivalency to Obama. Guess what he's no longer president and yet you want to somehow say things are the same. This is nothing short of dillusional. Yet I'll say their are similarities both are narcissistic both value their own interpretation above all others. And if you believe there ia a diffrence between them then ypu have been fooled by the game. Trump has beenough a Democrat his whole life and only changed because Hillary took identity politics to far. Bottom line Trump and Obama aren't that far apart Trump even wants a national healthcare. Their difference is identity politics Obama wanted to label everyone and Trump doesn't care about labels which gets him into trouble I might add. And both created an unpopular ideaology.

Let's just say we are at a point where this continued attacks from right and left are hurting the country. It sated with Clinton then went through Bush and Obama. Thus partisan behavior hurts US citizens. Time to drop the rhetoric and just judge things based on policy instead of political gotchas.
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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

The workers make the product, the owners take the product and sell it, the owners steal from the worker



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: dragonridr

The workers make the product, the owners take the product and sell it, the owners steal from the worker


Ah yeah .... "Competition" !!

BwaaaHaHaHa




posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: dragonridr

The workers make the product, the owners take the product and sell it, the owners steal from the worker


Workers sell what they have to give time. They pay you to work and use that work to receive money. They take a product that they sell to pay for material and wages. Since rarely is one person ever involved in manufacturing it is a joint effort to create something worth selling.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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I had a thought about Antifa the other day and it made me laugh. These people who are so vehemently against confederate statues as "symbols of slavery" use a lot of items made by what is for all intents and purposes slave labor in Asia, Smart Phones, high end running shoes, all those tech gadgets millennials love, are made by people who are barely paid anything at all. By buying these items, they are supporting a form of slavery. I would love to ask them, if they REALLY oppose slavery, to get rid of their smart phones and throw away those criminally priced running shoes. I don't have to tell you what the answer would be to THAT.


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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 07:33 PM
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I got 2 warnings from a MOD in one night from this very poster ,doing the same thing.
It's the game of EMO semantics ONLY and some CRAP the "Hippie"prof at the high costing college taught as FACTS when history shows only OPINION.
Not to mention MAOISM is one of the main 4 types of socialism...Trotsy. and of course Lenin and Marx...
www.philosophybasics.com...
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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 07:39 PM
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If liberals are the new Nazis I guess Trump and his supporters should start defending them.




posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: dragonridr

The workers make the product, the owners take the product and sell it, the owners steal from the worker


So basically you think the average Joe on the line understands why he is doing what he doing and why he must do it that way?

The guy making iPhones in China understands the product well enough that he might as well have developed it all on his own?

The guy making a pharmaceutical understands what it is he's making and why it must be made how it's made?

And so on and so forth ...

Do you know who does understand those things? Those "fat cats" who sit behind their desks and work really hard to make sure that what the guy on line produces works when it gets to you because the guy on the line *doesn't* understand at all what he or she is doing or why.

That person is being paid to assemble and that is it.



posted on Aug, 27 2017 @ 07:17 AM
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Then how do you explain Hitler saying several times he's a socialist?


A lying demagogue, who broke all the treaties and lead a nation into a horrific desaster, is supposed to be a reliable source for this crap?

You must be the same kind of moron my grandfather the Nazi was, congrats!



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