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The Liberals, Democrat's, Antifa and the Democratic Socialist are the New Nazi's

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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Read it again and slowly.

It says nothing bout taxing citizens.

It clearly says ALL taxes,duties and imposts,excises shall be uniform throughout the united STATES.

To pay DEBT which is a benefit to the general welfare.




posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: TheTory

Oh don't worry, the original thread topic is about the Nazi's actually mirrored the Democrat's rhetoric and policy almost identically.

I was expecting purposeful derailment.


Could have sworn you were attempting to talk about socialism ... before you proved you know nothing about it.

Besides that, the only thing the OP had going for it is the insipid dull argument that because the Nazis had the word "socialist" in their name, that means they were socialists, where "socialist" can mean anything you want it to.

I bet you think North Korea is "democratic" too.
edit on 24-8-2017 by Gryphon66 because: Noted



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Hmmm, may want to revisit the OP.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Gryphon66

Hmmm, may want to revisit the OP.


See above.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TheTory

The only thing you've shown is that you can't back up your ludicrously vague statements

You can "tut tut" all you like. You have nothing to back up your childish claims.

Off with you.


I can already see that you would widen the goalposts the minute I 'backed up my claim', a standard you yourself refuse to abide by. Why bother?



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert

Read it again and slowly.

It says nothing bout taxing citizens.

It clearly says ALL taxes,duties and imposts,excises shall be uniform throughout the united STATES.

To pay DEBT which is a benefit to the general welfare.


I did. It talks about taxes.

Again, you're welcome.

Apparently your free-market ass cannot afford it's own army or roads.

So I'll take care of you and your lazy ass.

You're welcome.
edit on 24-8-2017 by introvert because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: TheTory

So, essentially, you can't answer because you can't answer. Tautology.

Here's a hint and then I'm done. Socialism, in the purest sense, is not a system at all, but a process. It is a communitarian process that is achieved NATURALLY by individuals choosing to combine their efforts together for their own good. It is a recognition that personal property is in most senses a waste in as far as property is defined as the means of production which is, in this advanced state that is again achieved NATURALLY and by CHOICE of ALL INVOLVED equally owned, managed, worked and profited from by all.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:23 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: TheTory

So, essentially, you can't answer because you can't answer. Tautology.

Here's a hint and then I'm done. Socialism, in the purest sense, is not a system at all, but a process. It is a communitarian process that is achieved NATURALLY by individuals choosing to combine their efforts together for their own good. It is a recognition that personal property is in most senses a waste in as far as property is defined as the means of production which is, in this advanced state that is again achieved NATURALLY and by CHOICE of ALL INVOLVED equally owned, managed, worked and profited from by all.



It's not necessarily a process. It's a theory. But your definition coincides with that of Marx at least. It turns out he was wrong.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:52 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Except it's not gone by choice when sought through the means of government. When you do it through government, some choose and the rest are compelled through force.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Gryphon66

Except it's not gone by choice when sought through the means of government. When you do it through government, some choose and the rest are compelled through force.


..... aaaand that's not socialism.

Stalinism, Maoism ... but not socialism.

You really don't understand this ... do you?



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:55 PM
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a reply to: TheTory

Semantic quibbles are somewhat better than rank denial I suppose.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: TheTory

Oh don't worry, the original thread topic is about the Nazi's actually mirrored the Democrat's rhetoric and policy almost identically.

I was expecting purposeful derailment.


Could have sworn you were attempting to talk about socialism ... before you proved you know nothing about it.

Besides that, the only thing the OP had going for it is the insipid dull argument that because the Nazis had the word "socialist" in their name, that means they were socialists, where "socialist" can mean anything you want it to.

I bet you think North Korea is "democratic" too.


There are several similarities between socialism and fascists. In fact you could arguse one sprang from the other since benit muessilini was in fact a marxist and only changed one thing to become a fascist. He went from believing on a global got to a nationalistic one. BUT if course they would be a lock since when facsism was born it was in a socialist europe.

extreme left and extreme right surprisingly have much in common. For example they both choose an enemy to attack. One uses class the other race. A socialists attacks the upper 1 percent they are evil. Nazi's chose a race the Jews who they felt ran everything and evil. Both believe the ideals should be held above personal freedoms. Both belived that production should be shared. Often people don't realize how similar they are because they think of Nazi's and they were not your typical fascists but a unique version. Problem is both these ideals end with the same results. There is an illusion of control in both. And as such they both lend themselves to be abused.

writer Václav Havel once described as offering “human beings the illusion of identity, of dignity, and of morality while making it easier for them to partwith them.”



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 01:15 AM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: TheTory

Oh don't worry, the original thread topic is about the Nazi's actually mirrored the Democrat's rhetoric and policy almost identically.

I was expecting purposeful derailment.


Maybe then you shouldnt have derailed the thread then by claiming nazis were socialists which shows you know nothing.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 01:33 AM
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ANTIFA/liberals:


edit on 25-8-2017 by Kromlech because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Nazis?

I think not.

Are the left carrying Swastikas? No. Are the left intolerant of people who are not the same skin tone as them? No, in fact the ability to even think in terms of skin tone and genetics when establishing whether someone is worthy of respect under the law, is a habit which is exclusively the property of forces other than the political left. Are the left fascist? No, we are not. We do not subscribe to authoritarian nationalism, but instead consider our nation of birth to be less important than our relationship as human beings, to all other human beings on the Earth, as equals, regardless of where we happen to be on the world at the time. We consider ourselves the natural enemy of the fascist, the Nazi, the Swastika bearing, genocidal maniacs who falsely consider supremacism a worthy path, despite the evidence of history which shows it to be scientifically and morally invalid, at best, if not down right evil, sociopathic and utterly unsupportable.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert




Yet is supported in other amendments.


No it isn't.

Sure not in the 4th,.



mendment IV The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.



www.law.cornell.edu...

Key word EFFECTS.

Sure not in the 14th.



All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


There it is again.

Equal protection and nor shall ANY state including the FEDERAL deprive any person of life,liberty or property.

MONEY is property.

www.law.cornell.edu...

EPIC FAIL socialists.


I like how you role



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 05:40 AM
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originally posted by: Kromlech
ANTIFA/liberals:


The irony is astounding.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 05:42 AM
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a reply to: Kromlech

Your false equivalency is rather porous.

As I explain in my previous post in this thread, fascism does not describe action alone, but its intention. If I punch a Nazi in the face, I am not behaving in a fascist manner. If a Nazi punches a person of colour, or a Jewish person, or a Muslim, based on their phobic, fascist ideology, that is a fascist action.

If a fascist is punched in the face, then no fascist action occurred at all, other than the action of the fascist falling to the ground with their nose plastered across their face.

Another example. During the Second World War, both sides of the conflict used heavy bombardment, rifles, grenades, air superiority and armoured vehicles, to attempt to gain the upper hand. Nazis killed those who opposed them, and those who opposed them killed Nazis. However, only one of those actions is justified, because only one of those actions was undertaken to protect the innocent from the guilty, and the actions which are justified, are the ones which are undertaken by those who do not subscribe to fascist, Nazi, racist or supremacist ideology. The actions of people who do, are fascist in origin and motivation, and therefore are not morally equivalent to the just and righteous smiting of said fascists, by those who sought or seek to save the world from their grasp.

No matter what is done to a fascist by anyone else, there will never be a time or an event where acting to prevent fascists from acting freely, will ever be comparable to fascism itself.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 06:16 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Thanks for sharing your opinions. Here's mine:

There is zero comparison between fascism and socialism. The ideas themselves are antithetical.

Fascism is based in power over groups of others by a FEW.

Socialism is based in the COOPERATIVE power of groups working to produce things TOGETHER.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

More old and stupid ideas for the next threads of yours:

-the NSDAP was a socialists party of communist workers
-SS officers with skull insignia were Skull & Bones members
-social democrats and communists in Poland started WW2
-Nazis bankrolled by communists and comrade Bush


Decisions...




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