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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Gryphon66
You do realize there is something you don't take into account at all. Left and right is far different in the states then it is in Europe. Nazis would have been to the left of every political party in the states in world War 2. However they were the far right compared to communism. Here's what I mean people like Sanders is considered the left however he believes in private property. The nazis believed all corporations must serve the state. So this would mean even Bernie would be considered right wing compared to Nazis.
From a European perspective they look at Nazis by saying well they suppressed labor unions and saw the people as a means to prop up the state. But know who else did this Stalin played the exact same card. Trotsky considered fascism to be right-wing socialism or middle-class socialism. So the left right devide in Europe was very narrow within socialism. In fact communism will always lead to nationalism. Look at North Korea great example it started out a communist regime and moved right into nazi territory.
Mussolini the man that invented fascism was a Marxist his whole life. And he saw fascists as the next logical step. Could argue Stalin did as well since he adopted many of their tactics.
So claiming Nazis are fAR right just depends on what perspective your viewing from. From anyone in the USA they saw it as being born from left wing ideally of socialism and it was.let's hear what Hitler had to say on the issue shall we.
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions”
– Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927.
Does this sound like the right in the US today I think not. Your entire argument is based off a euro centric belief. At the time there was nothing like Republicans in Europe the closest would have been the Laissez-faire capitolists.which the nazis hated.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: TheTory
Private and personal property are 2 very different things especially when it comes to socialism. You will still have ownership of your personal property in socialism. (House, cars, clothes) Businesses on the other hand would not be allowed to be privately owned and instead every employee would own a piece of the company and would have the right to vote on business decisions.