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Far-right smear campaign against Antifa exposed

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posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

You have never tried any "intelligent argument"... You always resort to the same thing you are doing here. So don't try to shift the blame yet once again...




posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Gryphon66

First of all, and again, the fact is that it was the left-winger Kessler who organized this... BTW, have you tried to visit his facebook account to see "how many nazis were following him?... I did... about13,500 people are following that "left-winger's antics"... OH NO... THE UNITED STATES IS OVERRUN WITH NAZIS!!!

Meanwhile you have antifa, blm and other "socialist/communist" groups which amount to how many?...


Keep desperately trying to sell your alternate facts. I guess David Duke, Richard Spencer and all the rest are also "leftists"?

No one, and I mean no one except those who slurp up the nonsense dispensed by the right-wing media believes that the US is overrun with Nazis. What a silly, shallow attempt to justify what happened in Charlottesville!

What we are saying is that a band of Nazis and White Supremacists invaded a small Virginia town with plans to violently intimidate the residents there. It didn't work ... and those of you who are so obviously pissed that it didn't are making it plan where your allegiances lie.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

Keep desperately trying to sell your alternate facts. I guess David Duke, Richard Spencer and all the rest are also "leftists"?

No one, and I mean no one except those who slurp up the nonsense dispensed by the right-wing media believes that the US is overrun with Nazis. What a silly, shallow attempt to justify what happened in Charlottesville!

What we are saying is that a band of Nazis and White Supremacists invaded a small Virginia town with plans to violently intimidate the residents there. It didn't work ... and those of you who are so obviously pissed that it didn't are making it plan where your allegiances lie.



No "alternatate facts"... just facts which are corroborated by the left-wing opinions that Kessler wasn't able to delete completely. As for Charlottesville, if Kessler hadn't organized the whole thing, it wouldn't have happened.

BTW, your last sentence just shows the truth about people like you, and many others in the left just wanting to use events like Charlottesville to attack the right and "blam us all about being nazis." Which btw, nazi ideology is left-wing, and not right-wing, but then again, the left doesn't like facts.

Most people who happen to lean to the right didn't want for that to happen, but yet again, instead of actually blaming your left-wing friend Kessler, you try once again to lay the blame on all Americans/legal residents who lean to the right.

it goes to show that left-wingers like yourself are not really interesting in stopping violence like what happened in Charlottesville... You just want to use such violence to blame the right more because we don't kowtow to your regressive ideology.


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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 04:54 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Nazi Ideology is Left-wing"



The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism"


N A T I O N A L socialism is not libertarian socialism



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 07:08 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So let's go with your "logic" for a second ... all the Nazis and White Supremacists in attendance don't exist without Kessler? The Proud Boys don't exist? David Duke, Richard Spencer, Baked Alaska ... the KKK, the Nationalist Front, the National Socialists, Vanguard America ... all these people don't exist without Jason Kessler? Co-organizer Nathan Damigo doesn't exist independently?

Was Kessler also "left wing" when he tried to get Wes Bellamy fired in March of 2016 for being "anti-White"?

So, there was no march with weapons and torches through the streets of Charlottesville? No chants of "BLOOD AND SOIL" and "JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US"? All of these people were, what, mind-controlled by Jason Kessler?

The UTR folks wouldn't have planned terrorist attacks with cars without Kessler?

Give us a break. This is the exactly the kind of rank nonsense and absurd apologies for Nazis and White Supremacists that demonstrates just how far out on the fringe some of you have gone.

I haven't blamed ANYONE for being Nazis just because they're on the right. However, you are absolutely correct, when members here jump through ever-more ludicrous illogical hoops to deny that this event was a call for the far-right violent fringe to unite and crawl out from under their rocks ... then yes, you and others like you are NAZI APOLOGISTS.

The party of "personal responsibility" wants to blame the City of Charlottesville, the counter-protestors and ANYONE ELSE for the terroristic MURDER of Heather Heyer? Are you sure you don't want to tell us again how her murder was her fault???

Please. All you can do is bleat about "left-wingers" which are defined as anyone who doesn't agree with your BS.

Stop apologizing for Nazis and maybe folks will stop calling you a Nazi apologist.

Or own your beliefs and stop crying.
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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Nazi Ideology is Left-wing"



The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism"


N A T I O N A L socialism is not libertarian socialism


Careful !!

You are sounding more and more "competitive".

You might get the urge to engage in "Captitalism" !!




posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Corporate Crony Capitalism doesn't have anything to do with competition ... the goal is to destroy all competition, establish a government-endorsed monopoly, and maximize profits.

Another swing-and-a-miss Xuench.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: DanteGaland

I think the video's of ANTIFA in action are evidence enough of their intent and what kind of people make up the group.

You are right that Twitter is a bad source for anything, but ANTIFA has earned the criticism it receives. Credible people don't wear masks and incite violence.

You're not trying to justify ANTIFA's actions are you?

Awesome questions!



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

People are not defending the white supremacists, just pointing out they have rights like anyone else covered by the constitution. They also have a right not to be assaulted. The white supremacists were dying a slow quiet death until mods on both sides tried to take the law into their own hands. Now there is just more fuel on the fire.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

So, people say we don't "debate" and we don't 'discuss topics', here I have been discussing topics and pointing out facts, and this is your reply?

wow...
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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: xuenchen

So, people say we don't "debate" and we don't 'discuss topics', here I have been discussing topics and pointing out facts, and this is your reply?

wow...


Yup.

That's my reply.

Glad to see you "competing" for what you believe in !!






posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Gryphon66

People are not defending the white supremacists, just pointing out they have rights like anyone else covered by the constitution. They also have a right not to be assaulted. The white supremacists were dying a slow quiet death until mods on both sides tried to take the law into their own hands. Now there is just more fuel on the fire.


Beg to differ on two points:

1. Most of the apologists here aren't merely talking about free speech rights ... they're trying to explain away the violent terrorist efforts of the UTR rally, both in its planning and its implementation. They have blamed the residents of Charlottesville, the police, those who were there defending the residents, and the City itself for the violence, terrorism and MURDER. Everyone except the ones who committed it, the Nazi/White Supremacist Terrorists.

2. Incitement is not free speech. Expressing a true threat like an ILLEGAL midnight march through town carrying weapons, torches and Nazi flags and symbolism, chanting hateful Nazi/racist slogans, and threatening residents and a bunch of University students is NOT free speech ... see SCOTUS Virginia v. Black.
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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Corporate Crony Capitalism doesn't have anything to do with competition ... the goal is to destroy all competition, establish a government-endorsed monopoly, and maximize profits.

Another swing-and-a-miss Xuench.


Makes perfect sense !!

Compete so hard that the "competition" just dries up and goes away !!




posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Corporate Crony Capitalism doesn't have anything to do with competition ... the goal is to destroy all competition, establish a government-endorsed monopoly, and maximize profits.

Another swing-and-a-miss Xuench.


Makes perfect sense !!

Compete so hard that the "competition" just dries up and goes away !!





Don't forget ... they do that with government-support too.

See, I knew you understood Crony Capitalism!



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:26 AM
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Quote individuals that were "explaining" away violent terrorists actions in this thread.

Can you quote any scheduled speakers at the Charlottesville free speech rally that were calling for violence?

And its a legal matter if they were. The mobs had no legal right to take matters into their own hands. I believe in a civil society based on laws and rights, not mob action. What do you believe in?
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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Gryphon66

Quote individuals that were "explaining" away violent terrorists actions in this thread.

Can you quote any scheduled speakers at the Charlottesville free speech rally that were calling for violence?

And its a legal matter if they were. The mobs had no legal right to take matters into their own hands. I believe in a civil society based on laws and rights, not mob action. What do you believe in?


Read it for yourself. Read any of the multitudes of threads on the same subject.

Right, those great Nazi and White Supremacist Americans have no known history of violence, advocation of violence, etc.?

"The mobs" eh? You mean the residents of Charlottesville and their allies? The one's that had permits to counter-protest?

As if they needed a permit to protect themselves and their town from terrorists.

What you call "the mob" I call the People ... Americans, who were DEFENDING their town or were DEFENDING the residents against invading terrorists.

I believe in the Constitution and the laws of the United States. I believe that known criminals and terrorists deserve no license to do their work. Incitement and terrorism is NOT free speech. If you stand in alignment with that, you're part of the problem.

As well, when civil disobedience goes overboard as it did in Berkeley and Washington DC ... those who stepped over the line pay the price. Violence and vandalism are NOT acceptable political statements, nor are they free speech.

But there is no shame in standing against violence, which is what the folks opposed to the Nazis and White Supremacists did.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:53 AM
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I asked for quotes, not a ranting manifesto.....

You failed to provide actual quotes.

Can you prove the speakers at rally were calling for violence?

Moot point though, it's still against the law for mobs to take the law into their own hands....



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Gryphon66

I asked for quotes, not a ranting manifesto.....

You failed to provide actual quotes.

Can you prove the speakers at rally were calling for violence?

Moot point though, it's still against the law for mobs to take the law into their own hands....


LOL ... if you can't read the thread, that's your own issue. If you don't like my posts, then stop responding to them and trying to divert the thread to your own narrative.

Here's a taste of your own absurd medicine:

Can you prove that the Nazi terrorists were not calling for violence? That they didn't intend to intimidate the residents of Charlottesville? Because I've already clearly demonstrated that they did just that.

Or how about this one ...

Can you prove that the defenders and residents of Charlottesville were calling for violence?

No, it's not against the law to defend oneself or others from true threats; perhaps you should do a bit more homework instead of asking for others to do your work for you?

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posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: amazing
The Bigger problem, from the Right is that they label everyone.

Anyone protesting trump must be Antifa, Any black person protesting anything, must be BLM. Anyone protesting anyting is a social justice warrior. And anyone with an opinion that is more left leaning must be virtue signaling. Stop labeling everyone. LOL

That's ridiculous.


Did you just really accuse the right of identity politics?

LOL!!

Oh the irony.....



Open your eyes though. All Sides do it. Of course the right usses identity politics as does the left as does every group out there.



posted on Aug, 26 2017 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: amazing

I didn't say they don't.

Please, actually read posts before commenting.




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