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Far-right smear campaign against Antifa exposed

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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: xuenchen

Aug 25th: ATS continues to ignore xuenchen.


Worth every nickel too.





Are you admitting to being a paid shill?


Wasn't my nickel I was referring to.

But thanks just the same for confirming your biases.




posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Does ANTIFA (assuming there was "an ANTIFA") have the right to promote itself as a group that intends to stand up, defy, and protect others from fascists?

Anyone?


You've said it already: anyone has that right. And on top of that it's everyones duty as a civilian in a democracy (fighting fascism).


edit on 24-8-2017 by PublicOpinion because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: xuenchen

Aug 25th: ATS continues to ignore xuenchen.


Worth every nickel too.





Are you admitting to being a paid shill?


Wasn't my nickel I was referring to.

But thanks just the same for confirming your biases.



Nice deflection.

Thanks for confirming your source of income.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:06 PM
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I had a close encounter of the anti-FA's a few years back during the Seattle Riots. 'course they weren't called anti-FA then...but I digress. I was wrong place, and at really the wrong time.

They are a bunch of post-adolescent adolescents who really need to get, only metaphorically, slapped around a bit by their parents.

The one's I talked to weren't exactly from the deep end of the gene-pool intelligence wise...now I can't claim to have spoken to all of 'em...maybe there was a budding Einstein among 'em, but I sure didn't meet him or her.

"Like they're evil bankers, man, and we need to teach 'em a lesson." was the sum total of their reasoning, if one can call it that...

Then the cops said play time is over...and durned well meant it. Tear gas/CSA (or whatever it's called) stings more than a little bit, even when only on the periphery, and moving away fast.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:07 PM
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Let's take the definition apart ...

"a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."

In general, all Nazis and White Supremacists believe that White people have been humiliated, victimized and are in danger of decline.

For example, any website, altright.com, americannaziparty.com, etc. contains page after page of rhetoric about how White people have been downtrodden, discriminated against, and are in danger of being contaminated and replaced.

"You will not replace us. Jews will not replace us."

There is little argument among anyone here that White Supremacists, Nazis and KKK members are prime examples of "compensatory cults." There is little argument that these people advocate for a return to true nationalism (that favors White people).

They advocate for violence in the furtherance of these ideas. That also, is not disputed.

They are currently working toward external expansion with rallies like "Unite the RIght" and so forth.

It seems clear then that Nazis, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, White Nationalists and the KKK qualify as FASCISTS.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Does ANTIFA (assuming there was "an ANTIFA") have the right to promote itself as a group that intends to stand up, defy, and protect others from fascists?

Anyone?


You've said it already: anyone has that right. And on top of that it's everyones duty as a civilian in a democracy (fighting fascism).



Agreed.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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In general, all Nazis and White Supremacists believe that White people have been humiliated, victimized and are in danger of decline.


Oh like black people think that ?




For example, any website, altright.com, americannaziparty.com, etc. contains page after page of rhetoric about how White people have been downtrodden, discriminated against, and are in danger of being contaminated and replaced.


So does EVERY antifa and BLM website.




"You will not replace us. Jews will not replace us."


White supremacists will not replace us.

Nazis will not replace us.




There is little argument among anyone here that White Supremacists, Nazis and KKK members are prime examples of "compensatory cults." There is little argument that these people advocate for a return to true nationalism (that favors White people).


Compensatory cults : ANTIFA,BLM




They advocate for violence in the furtherance of these ideas. That also, is not disputed.


JUST LIKE Antifa and BLM




They are currently working toward external expansion with rallies like "Unite the RIght" and so forth.


JUST LIKE Antifa and BLM

It seems clear then that antifa and blm, black supremacist, other supremacists discriminating against white people qualify as FASCISTS.

POT MEET KETTLE.
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:13 PM
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I can agree. There were some anti-fascist-types around during the OWS rallies. Seemed more like stupid hippies than violent thugs.

Went to a few TP protests as well. Wasn't impressed with the depth of intelligence there either.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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Even thinking about Mr. Higgins as his seemingly close relations to NATO this post on The Saker site screams for attention ''Social Media as a Tool of Hybrid Warfare; The Case of Syria (IMPORTANT NOTE BY THE SAKER) " thesaker.is...



NATO, it is suspected, places “experts” in various fields of interest amongst the movement of “Empire” resisters as Trojan Horses, implants, ready to explode like cluster bombs, releasing their smaller submunitions in their midst when required. As a matter of fact, it would be rather naïve to expect the contrary. Standing in the way of this pernicious strategy were a few indigenous activists and leaders, primarily operating on social media and blogs in those earlier years of the war. Some chose to use pseudonyms for reasons of security and greater freedom of expression. In any resistance movement, all patriots and solidarists have the duty to protect the identity and safety of their colleagues and this betrayal of basic resistance protocol was used repeatedly when any of these activists refused to come under these forces’ control or clear the way for their total domination of the movement. Those activists who did not yield, were subjected to systematic vilification, disinformation campaigns and acts designed to cause harm or even worse, death. A concerted campaign ensued where those activists’ friends were given an ultimatum to disassociate with them or face excommunication from the activist community, to the point of even personal threats being made against some family members.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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I'm opposed to fascism and so are those they seem to be accusing of being fascists. They are not protesting that and their message is a lie to be honest. It's what they claim, but I'm not buying it. ANTIFA is this generations anarchists. They don't even have a coherent message. I'd liken them to the Weathermen of my time who were and are anarchists pretending to be for peace, but get off on bombs and mayhem. They fooled nobody either.

This nonsense of trying to label all Republicans as fascists or Nazi's is just another chorus of hate speech by yet another group of bigots. Those who are trying to equate all Democrats with ANTIFA are also wrong and hateful.

It's amazing how people who claim to be opposed to hate are involved in so much hate and lies to justify their own bigotry. I mainly blame the current crop of politicians for this. It's just like the 60's and this too shall pass. The hate groups on both sides are very small, but very loud and a corrupt media loves them as they bring them ratings and money. Sad really.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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You might want to Google the term tu quoque - it's relevant to your position.

For the record there is a marked difference between movements that seek equality and those that seek to perpetuate an extant and long standing inequality. Reference: Jim Crow.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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Now that it has been established that American Nazis, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, etc. are indeed FASCISTS, let's look at what these ANTIFA individuals claim to stand for...

From what I can tell (and I've only started to study the topic) here is a site that covers most of the disparate ideas gathered under the ANTIFA banners ... Antifascistnews.net

(if anyone has a better suggestion for an overview of what these folks actually say about themselves, please post.)

There's not a lot there yet. But what there is suggests that this might be a fair statement of their purpose:



Fascism has never been silenced exclusively by its own ineptitude, but instead by the concerted efforts of organizers that risk everything to stop it. Fascism attacks all of our movements: from the labor movement to anti-racist struggle, the growth of the LGBT fight to that over ecological liberation. Fascism makes these battles intersectional since it acts as a orchestrated attack on the core values of all of these movements, making real the idea that all oppression has a common center. Fascism is an attempt to answer the unfinished equation of capitalism and, instead of challenging the inequalities manifested through this economic system, it hardens them.


So, it seems reasonable that the anti-fascist folks want to organized concerted efforts that risk everything to stop fascism in America.

That's a tall order.

Here's my point: if a group in its essence STANDS AGAINST groups that intend to purify the American population, to establish White people as superior and dominant over all others, to gain control of government and impose their values via nationalist and statist control ... that intend to reframe our country OUTSIDE OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE ... how can any of us say that doing "whatever is needed" in that fight is not admirable?

Does anyone doubt that the Nazis/White Supremacists intend to do these things?


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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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I'm opposed to fascism and so are those they seem to be accusing of being fascists.


I'm not so sure. It appears fascism is live and well. The problem is, they are not recognizing it.



They are not protesting that and their message is a lie to be honest. It's what they claim, but I'm not buying it. ANTIFA is this generations anarchists.


Anarchists. Yes. Not socialists and commies as is being posited by those that wish to denounce them simply for being as such.



They don't even have a coherent message.


Exactly. The fascists/Ws's/KKK do.



I'd liken them to the Weathermen of my time who were and are anarchists pretending to be for peace, but get off on bombs and mayhem. They fooled nobody either.


I think the current stint of the anarchists just want a good punch-up. They want to have their moments on the "battlefield" so they can feel they did something for a greater cause.

If that cause is to fight fascism. I'm ok with that, though I think it's a bit premature.



This nonsense of trying to label all Republicans as fascists or Nazi's is just another chorus of hate speech by yet another group of bigots. Those who are trying to equate all Democrats with ANTIFA are also wrong and hateful.


Completely agree. People like you are I are willing to debate the finer details in order to not lump entire groups in to a nasty generalization. Sadly, many are not willing to debate this. They have agenda to push and biases to confirm.



It's amazing how people who claim to be opposed to hate are involved in so much hate and lies to justify their own bigotry. I mainly blame the current crop of politicians for this. It's just like the 60's and this too shall pass. The hate groups on both sides are very small, but very loud and a corrupt media loves them as they bring them ratings and money. Sad really.


I do not blame politicians. I blame the people. They choose to believe what they believe. We all have choices.

Sad thing is, most make bad choices.
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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The last part of this definition is strange.



without ethical or legal restraints


Internal (mostly ethnic) cleansings are fascist by definition, regardless of the restraints. On second thought, who actually supervises those restraints? That's a very slippery slope, innit?

Who is that guy who wrote this? Sounds like Stalins henchman or something like that, they had some restraints in place as well. Otherwise the UdSSR would have been empty pretty fast, I guess.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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For the record there is a marked difference between movements that seek equality and those that seek to perpetuate an extant and long standing inequality.


Long standing inequality!

Like 60 years of voting for a particular party running around calling everyone a nazi they disagree with.

That would make the entire antifa postition a tu quoque.

60 years of x oppressing a particular group continually reinforcing that perception.

And it's suppose to change when all the nazis have been exterminated!



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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This nonsense of trying to label all Republicans as fascists or Nazi's is just another chorus of hate speech by yet another group of bigots.


So is trying to label all democrats or liberals as 'leftists who want to shut down all opposing views', as well as labeling everyone involved, concerned, or active with BLM as white hating bigots without looking at the movement's reason. This includes condemning the "left" for "antifa."


It's amazing how people who claim to be opposed to hate are involved in so much hate and lies to justify their own bigotry.


True. And it's not a partisan issue.



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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I'd liken them to the Weathermen of my time


Yeah. And then bombs went off in your head.

Newsflash: they aint the RAF either.

*shakeshead*
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
If crummy looking fake Twitter accounts and crappy over the top memes make people think Antifa and kind are just angry kids coming out of their mom's basement, with no real threat or seriousness attached.. I'd say that's a win for Antifa/TPTB behind their core.

Make them look like fools, people will think of them as fools.

But actions speak louder than words (or Twitter accounts)


You mean sort of like the "JV Team"?



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 07:32 PM
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Memes are fun.



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