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Craig Cobb and the President Donald J. Trump Creativity Church of Rome

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posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 08:14 PM
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I'm posting this in the political mud-pit because really, I have no idea where it should go. If a mod wishes to move it to a more appropriate place, be my guest.

I've spent a good part of today going down this rather interesting rabbit hole and thought I would share some of what I found with you.

This story begins in a small town of Leith, North Dakota, population of less than 50 people. The year is 2012. Craig Cobb moved into the small town with some pretty big plans. Once moved in, he started posting these plans onto Vangaurd News Network.



"He says that he's purchased some properties and he's encouraging others to come follow him, to join him, because this was going to be the vanguard of a movement," Lenz said. "He was trying to turn it into a white homeland."
abcnews.go.com...


He had bought enough lots in the town that if he had moved one family of like mind in each, he would have had enough to control the town, which was his plan. Then came the National Socialist Movement who's visit drew hundreds of protestors to the town. Next Cobb and a friend began going out on foot patrols armed with guns. The residents went close to a year afraid to let their kids out of their sites, never knowing who was coming and going in the town.

Cobb and his friend were arrested on Nov. 2013 charged with terrorizing and menacing their neighbors. Cobb took a plea deal and plead guilty to one felony count of terrorizing and was sentenced to four years probation.

But he wasn't done!! His next victim was the residents of Antler, North Dakota, population of around 20.. but the town got together and bought all the land that was for sale before he could purchase it.
Then he tried to get a foothold in Red Cloud, Nebraska and Inavale, Nebraska. Again the residents of the town blocked him by paying the back taxes for the properties.
Then there's the church he bought in Nome, North Dakota, which burned to the ground on March 22 which happens to be the same day that a local newspaper ran a story on Cobb's plans to turn the church into a Creativity Movement Chapel. I've provided a link at the end of this to the beliefs of this "religion".




Cobb has reacted to the fire with anger and warnings that he may rebuild the building, this time with a special name.
“The President Donald J. Trump Creativity Church of Rome,” Cobb told the (New York) Daily News on Tuesday. “That’s the name, because it’s beautiful. President Trump is like a god emperor, can do no wrong.” That term, “god emperor,” has gained popularity on the racist right, which views President Trump as an advocate for the movement’s fears.
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The fire was ruled to be arson although I don't believe any arrests have been made and Cobb has since sold the property back to Nome.
And, listening to this soundtrack, it seems like they think that the Creativity Movement should be enjoying all the perks and protections that any other religion enjoys.
kfgo.com... xuijsI.facebook

I've asked a few on the boards just how they thought the White Separatists would accomplish their "white homeland", well, I think I've found my answer.
More links:

The North Dakota town that thwarted a neo-Nazi takeover
www.bbc.com...


The creativity movement beliefs...
creativitymovement.net...

 
 

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edit on Wed Aug 23 2017 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 08:24 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

So you think that since he likes Trump, it had something to do with his view before Trump became President?

Stretching to say the least.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone
actually, I thought the church name along with the "god emperor" bit was rather humorous...
I found the "church's beliefs rather disturbing.
and I found the attempt to take over the small town of Leith rather alarming...
much of which I really didn't go into much detail because if I had, the post would have been way too long.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:01 PM
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This belongs in the short stories section.




posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen
why, it's fact, not fiction...
just because you don't like the facts, that isn't my problem.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: xuenchen
why, it's fact, not fiction...
just because you don't like the facts, that isn't my problem.



But I do like the facts.




posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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Kudos to the people of Leith, Antler, Red Cloud and Nome.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: 3daysgone
actually, I thought the church name along with the "god emperor" bit was rather humorous...
I found the "church's beliefs rather disturbing.
and I found the attempt to take over the small town of Leith rather alarming...
much of which I really didn't go into much detail because if I had, the post would have been way too long.




Oh. I agree. It is alarming. I just think that the connection your trying to make isn't really there.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

If this is what I think it is the rural whites rejected them. The whole town came together and they essentially gave up on their white dream.

NEXT...



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

well, I'm not really sure I am trying to make any connections really...
but, the connection that I think you think I am trying to make, one between trump and the white supremacists, does seem to exist at least seems to exist to the point where the white supremacists think that trump has allied himself with them.... weather he has or not is another matter.
but, I am more interested in the tactic that was used in an attempt to get their "white homeland" along with the fact that there seems to be a new religion, which if you have read the beliefs of this new religion, you would find that hey, they aren't that fond of christians!!





WE BELIEVE that for the White Race to survive, expand, and advance we need first of all a REVOLUTION OF VALUES THROUGH RELIGION; therefore we completely and categorically reject the Judeo – Christian – Democratic – Marxist – Liberal – Feminist values of today, and supplant them with new and basic values, of which RACE IS THE FOUNDATION.
WE BELIEVE that Jew-spawned Christianity is the deadly mind poison which destroyed the glorious White Roman Civilization and is currently destroying all of the White Race; therefore Christianity must be exposed, defeated and eliminated in order to save the White Race.
WE BELIEVE that the one and only, true and revolutionary White Racial Religion-CREATIVITY-is in every conceivable way far more logical, consistent, comprehensive, meaningful and inspiring than all other religions, ideologies and political parties combined; therefore we strive that it eventually replace all other religions, ideologies and parties, barring none.

creativitymovement.net...


matter of fact, any christians marching with lit torches shouting "Jews will not replace us!" might want to ask themselves if the person marching next to them might not be wanting to replace them at a later time!



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe
they rejected them, so they tried in another town, and then another, and another, the last attempt I found was earlier this year, where he tried to bring the "church" into Nome.



edit on 23-8-2017 by dawnstar because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Well if anything, his failures are proof that the actual people does not want to be around anyone racist.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone
no, it just means they need more followers, more money...



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:14 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: 3daysgone
no, it just means they need more followers, more money...


And since none of the town folk wanted to follow him and give him their money my response still stands.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone
he was trying to import people of like mind...



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: 3daysgone

well, I'm not really sure I am trying to make any connections really...
but, the connection that I think you think I am trying to make, one between trump and the white supremacists, does seem to exist at least seems to exist to the point where the white supremacists think that trump has allied himself with them.... weather he has or not is another matter.
but, I am more interested in the tactic that was used in an attempt to get their "white homeland" along with the fact that there seems to be a new religion, which if you have read the beliefs of this new religion, you would find that hey, they aren't that fond of christians!!





WE BELIEVE that for the White Race to survive, expand, and advance we need first of all a REVOLUTION OF VALUES THROUGH RELIGION; therefore we completely and categorically reject the Judeo – Christian – Democratic – Marxist – Liberal – Feminist values of today, and supplant them with new and basic values, of which RACE IS THE FOUNDATION.
WE BELIEVE that Jew-spawned Christianity is the deadly mind poison which destroyed the glorious White Roman Civilization and is currently destroying all of the White Race; therefore Christianity must be exposed, defeated and eliminated in order to save the White Race.
WE BELIEVE that the one and only, true and revolutionary White Racial Religion-CREATIVITY-is in every conceivable way far more logical, consistent, comprehensive, meaningful and inspiring than all other religions, ideologies and political parties combined; therefore we strive that it eventually replace all other religions, ideologies and parties, barring none.

creativitymovement.net...


matter of fact, any christians marching with lit torches shouting "Jews will not replace us!" might want to ask themselves if the person marching next to them might not be wanting to replace them at a later time!



I am pretty sure Trump would disavow them, and I think they know it too. Their tactic will not fool trump supporters, but it might fool anti Trumpers into believing it is because of Trump.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

And he has failed and will continue to do so. But it is an interesting story none the less.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 10:19 PM
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I live in, and have lived in North Dakota most of my life. This guy was big news for a long time. No one wants him in their community for obvious reasons. People live in these small towns because they enjoy anonymity, safety, not having to lock doors, etc.

When a guy like Craig Cobb (avoiding criminal charges in Canada btw) moves in and tries to "take over" - it's dealt with. Most of the people in small-town ND are dug-in and roots-deep. They know everyone and probably already own 90% of the land around them.

Invoking Trump is not an incredibly bad idea for this idiot. He (Trump) DOES have a lot of supporters here in ND. I have a very good friend who had TRUMP1 on his license plate months before Trump won the election. I know two people who openly oppose Trump, and way, way, too many who will defend anything he does.

I can't imagine Cobb gaining any traction in this state ever again, even using Trump's name and the supporter's behind him here. He's already proven to all of us that he is a jackass and, well, we don't want him.
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posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 12:55 PM
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here's a history of the white separatists movements,



they seem to have grown, and become more organized, evolved...
and still calling for a white homeland..

how do they obtain that without violently relocating the residents already living in the area that they wish to establish their homeland on??



posted on Aug, 24 2017 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

It sounds so innocuous, "Creativity Movement," like something you'd see established for elementary school students in their classrooms.

Instead you get White Supremicist Separatists and a bunch of scary crazy talk.

Creepy.



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