Originally posted by DrHoracid
So just where did I "attack" france in this thread.
Perhaps that is why I never directly accussed you of doing so. I infered that you may not like France from the general tone of your previous posts
(and am aided by your recent post about French nuclear testing- beats me what that has to do with the price of tea in china) and so I linked your
statement about US weapons being a threat to Europeans to your apparent dislike for France.
And I am a little dubious of and "recovering" neo-con that lives on the left coast.
I am widely respected as the worlds leading authority on what I do and don't believe. You'll just have to take my word for it when i say that from
1996 to 2003 I was overwhelmingly conservative both on foreign and domestic issues and when I found out what the PNAC was I not only liked them but
dreamed that I may one day join their organization. Like many people who have only just begun to consider political issues I took a simplistic view
which centered on my belief that all rule is by one means or another derived from force and therefore that war was in fact almost always the answer on
one level or another. I was also a Satanist from 2000-2002, which might explain why I supported those views (not in that I worshipped Satan but in
that I beleived in and rejected God as a tyrant who would cease to be God if he could be defeated).
Recently, having been exposed to a presidential election for the first time in what you might call my intellectual prime, having additional
experiences in life to draw upon, and being a member of ATS I have begun to re-evaluate by beliefs from an honest and open-minded perspective. I
consider myself a conservative in many ways still however I reject several assumptions which some might consider crucial to the conservative viewpoint
on religion, foreign relations, and economics.
Because I am shifting away from the neo-conservative ideology and believe that said ideology was the result of being taken in by faulty assumptions,
it is fair for me to say that I am "recovering".
Last but not least, the WEST coast is not so broadly dominated by liberals as you might think. Major cities tend to lean left, but the county
electoral map which I display proudly on a t-shirt shows that California would be a red state if Los Angeles, San Diego, and San Francisco were not so
overwhelmingly liberal. It does bear mention that the places which lean left are home to institutions of higher learning and a great many successful
people. In many issues their liberalism represents social norms and cultural differences as compared to less urbanized areas. In other issues however,
the fact that intellectual and successful people tend to reject the Republican party probably should cause introspection on behalf of that party.
Perhaps ridiculous statements are better that a real mushroom cloud. Nuke threats don't just "go away" ever..................
Libs have no sense of humor anyway.
Well, at least you're right about -something-. Liberals take themselves more seriously than I appreciate sometimes. (Let's not forget that the Right
has their share too though). Nothing turns me away from a group like vitriol and rhetoric. It's a wonder I can even live in this country during an
I don't like over-the-top liberals who want make me my dog's pet or who want to keep welcoming illegals with open arms when I've got to fight for
employment as things are already. But then I also dislike over-the-top conservatives who think a woman is murdering a baby every time she has her
period or who think that they have a right to decide who can marry and who can't.
I have a sollution for this too. Conservatives lighten up by telling jokes about France. (Google for French Military Victories and click the first
result and you'll see what I mean.) Liberals need something less serious than Bush to joke about so that they can unwind too. I think Liberals should
make fun of Britain. Maybe if we work really hard at it we can get France and Britain into a war!
As for mushroom clouds- there aren't any mushroom clouds! Well, maybe in the pacific, but only when France is nuking Tahiti and GreenPeace. How in
the hell can it be argued that threatening Europe not to get "brassy" is somehow connected to America's security through deterrence? Europeans have
no desire to engage in a war with us. The conversation is about a non-existant aggressive
deployment of nuclear weapons against peaceful
nations which you have suggested. The only threat of mushroom clouds in this conversation is that if we did use nuclear threats to keep Europe from
getting brassy that would motivate Europe to develop greater arsenals and the ensuing arms race would present more danger for the appearance of
mushroom clouds than anything which might be prevented by these provocative actions you suggest.