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US has more nuclear weapons in Europe than thought: report

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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:48 AM
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WASHINGTON (AFP) Feb 09, 2005
The United States is keeping some 480 nuclear weapons in air bases in Europe -- twice as many as analysts had previously estimated -- to deter attacks from terrorists or rogue nations, The New York Times said Wednesday, quoting a new study by a private group.
The short-range nuclear bombs are stored under US control, under tight security and regulated by secret military agreements at eight bases in Belgium, Britain, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Turkey, said the daily which obtained the report from the Natural Resources Defense Council.

An unnamed senior US military official in Europe told the daily that the number of nuclear weapons in Europe had been "significantly reduced" in recent years and currently stood at "around 200."

However, Hans Kristensen, a nuclear arms specialist and the author of the council's 102-page report titled "US Nuclear Weapons in Europe," said recent declassified documents, commercial satellite imagery and other documents he analyzed pointed to the higher number.

www.spacewar.com...

I really like this article. If the EU gets too "brassy" GW can pull the pin and make a glass ash tray.......................




posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
I really like this article. If the EU gets too "brassy" GW can pull the pin and make a glass ash tray.......................


I hope France moves some of their nukes into Canada so they can pull the pin if the US gets too "brassy".

EDIT: I'm surprised the Netherlands has allowed nukes to be kept in their country.
I would have thought they would be opposed to that.

[edit on 9-2-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase

Originally posted by DrHoracid
I really like this article. If the EU gets too "brassy" GW can pull the pin and make a glass ash tray.......................


I hope France moves some of their nukes into Canada so they can pull the pin if the US gets too "brassy".

EDIT: I'm surprised the Netherlands has allowed nukes to be kept in their country.
I would have thought they would be opposed to that.

[edit on 9-2-2005 by AceOfBase]


Also on a serious note I am concerned about the nukes in Turkey. I am a little supprised they are still there.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
I really like this article. If the EU gets too "brassy" GW can pull the pin and make a glass ash tray.......................

a real "american" comment.
i live in europe,
and i would NOT like to see the any country looking like "a glass ash tray",
thank you doctor.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid
I really like this article. If the EU gets too "brassy" GW can pull the pin and make a glass ash tray.......................

Wow this really backs up my opinion on american forign policy, "if it aint red white or blue or doesnt believe in the same god as us lets nuke it!"



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by DrHoracid
I really like this article. If the EU gets too "brassy" GW can pull the pin and make a glass ash tray.......................

a real "american" comment.
i live in europe,


NO, it's NOT a real American comment. Speaking as a recovering neo-con from a family full of conservatives, I can tell you that Dr. Horacid ridiculous statements would sicken the vast majority of even right wingers in America. Not liking France is a big joke over here, nobody wants to nuke them.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
NO, it's NOT a real American comment. Speaking as a recovering neo-con from a family full of conservatives, I can tell you that Dr. Horacid ridiculous statements would sicken the vast majority of even right wingers in America. Not liking France is a big joke over here, nobody wants to nuke them.

you are right.
i apologize to the "sane" american people.
that was not a "real american comment."
it was real american patriotic republican-conservative comment,
with tendencies towards a nuclear apocalypse.

reminds me of doctor strangelove:



How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb.


[edit on 9-2-2005 by Souljah]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 06:59 AM
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The United States should pull its nuclear weapons out of europe, its a little unnerving having someone elses WMD's in your own country.


thanks,
drfunk



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:05 AM
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as posted by AceOfBase
I hope France moves some of their nukes into Canada so they can pull the pin if the US gets too "brassy".



Other that your opinion of good Dr. Horacid, I think you might have responded more appropriately, in that why would France feel the need to place nukes into Canada when Canada has its own?




seekerof



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by Souljah
reminds me of doctor strangelove:


How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Bomb.


Please note my Avatar
.

Americans have been intentionally dumbed down in terms of foreign policy and military affairs. Has anybody else noticed that historically it was very common for an American secretary of state to later be elected president, but that this has not occurred in since the early part of the century?
The media teaches kids to marvel at our airpower- Fox News actually referred to the bombings in Iraq as "beautiful". Our nuclear arsenal is this warm little security blanket that means nobody can ever one-up us.

Don't blame the decieved, blame the decievers. The EXTREME right, as represented by a well connected elite, especially with ties to Johns Hopkins U, PNAC, and certain members of the CFR have been occupying a greaty many public offices and getting a VERY loud voice in the media thanks to Rupert Murdoch. There is a neo-con indoctrination which gains the support of most people of average or below average intellect.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Other that your opinion of good Dr. Horacid, I think you might have responded more appropriately, in that why would France feel the need to place nukes into Canada when Canada has its own?



I wasn't aware Canada had it's own nukes.
It's not listed as a coutry that has nuclear weapons.


Canadian Network to Abolish Nuclear Weapons

Canada still supports nuclear weapons
The Canadian Government does not have nuclear weapons, opposes nuclear proliferation, and officially supports disarmament.

However, it...

* continues to threaten the use of nuclear weapons (by its allies) in the event of war;
* has agreed to permit the deployment of nuclear-armed bombers and nuclear support forces at Canadian airfields during crises;
* provides airspace and low-level flight ranges for nuclear bomber training;
* hosts visits by nuclear-powered and potentially nuclear-armed submarines;
* maintains communication sites for nuclear forces;
* produces and exports components for nuclear weapon delivery vehicles, such as bombers and submarines;
* politically and diplomatically supports US and NATO nuclear policies, including the option of the first use of nuclear weapons.




List of countries with nuclear weapons
Country Number
United States 10,240
Russia (formerly the Soviet Union) 8,400
People's Republic of China 390
France 350
United Kingdom 200-300
India 60-90
Pakistan 30-52


[edit on 9-2-2005 by AceOfBase]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:13 AM
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My MOS when I was in the Army was 55G, Nuclear Weapons Technician. This was in the late 80's, early 90's. I was stationed in Germany, and I can tell you all now that we dismantled all the tactical nukes that were stationed there. The US Army has no more nukes in Europe. The Air Force is a different story. This was all due to the INF Treaty. My MOS was phased out in 1992, and we all had to reclassify to new jobs. This systems included the Pershing II, Lance, and a few, small, howitzer fired weapon systems.

This is fact. We had civilian and Russian inspectors at the time of dismantlement. That the US Army is still keeping nukes in Europe is highly unlikely. The Air Force might still have them, I don't know.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:15 AM
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Ace, Ace.....
Israel listed as confirmed as to having nukes? Has Israel publically announced and verified that they do?

One word: Bormarc.



seekerof

[edit on 9-2-2005 by Seekerof]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Ace, Ace.....
Israel listed as confirmed as to having nukes? Has Israle publically announced and verified that they do?

One word: Bormarc.


There is a note at the end of that chart:
Israeli, Indian, and Pakistani figures represent the potential number of weapons, based on estimates of the amount of fissile material those countries have produced.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:20 AM
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Then you might want to read a bit more on those nuclear capable nations then Ace.
The point is, that France would not be allowed to place nukes in Canada, not because of the US, but because Canada would simply not allow them.
Your comment was only intended to counter Dr.Horacid, as par.





seekerof



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Then you might want to read a bit more on those nuclear capable nations then Ace.
The point is, that France would not be allowed to place nukes in Canada, not because of the US, but because Canada would simply not allow them.
Your comment was only intended to counter Dr.Horacid, as par.


I agree, Canada more then likely does have some nukes tucked away in mountain ranges or some secret silos. Why shouldn't we? its not like we're going to be firing them off at our enemies. I mean comon' we supply CANDU reactors im sure there's something a little more going on under the surface there.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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First of all for the "who has nukes" debate...
It's hard to be 100% sure, especially if you allow for countries which might have outsourced parts of the process or simply bought/stolen weapons.

Only the 5 UN Security Council Members are technically allowed to have nukes as far as the letter of the law for UN members is concerned. Most "civilized" nations don't have nukes not because it is beyond them, but because 1. They respect the law. 2. Having nukes only makes you a target. 3. Your ally's deterrent can protect you just as well without the unpleasantness of being a strategic target. So US, Britain, France, China, and Russia have them.
Pakistan and India are known for sure because they have tested them.
Israel and North Korea are pretty much undisputed in their possession of nukes, but have not tested. So there are 9 nations right now who pretty much certainly have them.
South Africa and Ukraine are supposed to have disarmed. Technically Ukraine didn't actually disarm, but only sent Russian missiles back to Russia. KGB owned SADMs were not accounted for as well as the army's missiles in Ukraine, so there is question there.
So there are 7 confirmed nuclear powers, 2 more almost indisputable, 2 more not likely but possible, and on top of that every member of NATO theoretically could have access to them but most are content to host American missiles apparently.

As for refuting Horacids ridiculous quip about us trying to scare the Europeans- don't even worry about it. France isn't interested in having nukes on our side of the world because they don't want to have a war with us- I doubt they'd want to even if they were assured of victory. Our missiles aren't over there to threaten France either. Our missiles are over there because America and France, despite GREAT differences and even animosity in some areas, are friends. America has those missiles over there so that if we have to fight on the side of our friends we can do so.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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I was under the impression that after the Cuban missile crises the US had agreed to remove its nuclear weapons from turkey in exchange for the soviets doing the same in Cuba. So if this article is correct I cant imagine why there wouldn’t be nuclear weapons in cuba as well.


That certainly would explain why there haven’t been any more attempts to oust or assassinate castro.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 12:07 PM
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France is the only country of the original 5 that is still testing nukes in the pacific. That is why french commandos sunk the Rainbow Warrior. There was a series of tests scheduled for 2004. Be interesting to check the dates and the 9.0 quake.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by The Vagabond
NO, it's NOT a real American comment. Speaking as a recovering neo-con from a family full of conservatives, I can tell you that Dr. Horacid ridiculous statements would sicken the vast majority of even right wingers in America. Not liking France is a big joke over here, nobody wants to nuke them.


So just where did I "attack" france in this thread. And I am a little dubious of and "recovering" neo-con that lives on the left coast. Perhaps ridiculous statements are better that a real mushroom cloud. Nuke threats don't just "go away" ever..................

Libs have no sense of humor anyway.




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