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If you really want to remember history...

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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:10 AM
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The whole concept that removing confederate monuments from state property, where tax payers are responsible for any maintenance , is erasing history is just stupid..

History is written in books and learned in classrooms.. not from statues at courthouses..

Erasing history would be burning books...


Not MOVING a statue to the private property of some one who wants it there..

It makes me wonder if ANYONE actually believes it is erasing history, or if they just have no other logical counterpoint and that is the best excuse they can think of to keep them..

Well that and "because the socialist illuminati is gonna use the staues to help Hillary molest children in pizza shops as part of her weekly satanic ritual.. "

Lol..

It does raise an interesting question though when concerning those who have done something worth celebrating..

For example Robert E Lee tried to stop people from celebrating the confederacy.. He knew rebellion was a HORRIBLE MISTAKEin the first place... and he knew it was dangerous to glorify treason and all that useless killing. He wanted the country to heal.. not latch onto the mistakes of the past...


Nathan Bedford Forrest was a slave trader and all around person you hope never moves in next door , during his early life and the war..but just like lee regretted it all later..

He was named grand wizard of the KKK before it had become the KKK we know of today, and tried his best to disband it once militant factions started taking it over..

He built the largest black church in Memphis and went around speaking at civil rights type events..

While from the POV of a patriotic American they were traitors who led to the death of 10s of thousands of US soldiers in a failed rebellion, which is nothing any American should be glorifying...

But later in life they seem to have legitimately changed and tried to talk everyone else into doing the same..


So while I think the staues that glorify the confederacy with civil war figures in full battlefield regalia sword in hand, are just ridiculous when it comes to US State and government property..


What about a statue of the part of their lives that were worth glorifying????


I could see a statue of a repentant old man , weary from all the horror they have seen seeking forgiveness. With signage that tells their stories..

Highlight the fact they were someone who was originally fighting for the worst reasons possible, but later fought fir something FAR better....








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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

So taking down the Martin Luther King Jr. statues, changing street names would all be cool with you? I mean, his history is still in books and all, so removing it would be fine, not to would be, as you say, "just stupid".

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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: network dude

You sound angry. Are you still out of beer?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:25 AM
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Several years ago I discovered changing history works. I bought a business on the corner of MLK and Grossmere. After about 6 months I changed the address to Grossmere because the drive was better and thats where the mailman came in anyway. Business went up 50% in the next 6 months. The same every 6 months for the 4 years I had the place. I sold at a tidy profit to someone who thought being MLK was the main highway it would be better to have that address. Thats been 5 years the place was bulldozed last spring. The business died againlike all the others on that part of the highway.




posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Statues are there to address people who may not be natives or children who have not read about history yet. Not all history comes from books. I would prefer someone to stop and sa: "who is this guy/woman?" and then read the plaque and then learn something. You sound as if everyone who ever steps foot into a country knows all the history or has nothing better to do than read up on it before visiting.

Statues are visual, they have far more of an effect than a book that needs a) knowing about b) finding and c) reading.
A statue can teach history in a few seconds. That's why they are important.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: network dude

You should have finished reading before posting...


MLK did not betray his country and kill 10s of thousands of US soldiers...


No one learns the MLK story from his statue.. they learn it from documentaries and history books..

If they do remove an MLK statue for something unrelated.. maybe they privatized that park let's say..

However, It would not be erasing history...


If they remove the statues, change all the history books and start censoring YouTube.. they are erasing history..


Just like every other time one culture has tried to erase another...

From the ancient sumerians to the pagan romans, Christian romans, Muslims, arabs, Persians , Jews and basically everyone elese did to any civilization they deemed unworthy..

They aren't banning them on private property...



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: FauxMulder

Man, I am happy as I can be. I have beer in two fridges at the moment. sadly, I'm at work, but I'll get to them soon.

I just think poorly though out arguments need to be addressed. And Since nobody today seems to care about WHAT MLK Jr. message actually was, we might as well remove his statues and street names too.


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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

OK, I'll believe you when you can explain to me how the Civil war statues have negatively affected you over the years and show me some other writing you have done on the topic in the past. You know, just prove that this isn't some knee jerk reaction that the MSM told you to have.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: Hecate666

Your right they are visual and tell tiny bit of the story..

What story is a confederate general sword held high proudly charging into battle telling???


Is that an accurate tidbit of the story to tell???

To use a professional wrestling term..Are those "heel" statues or are they "baby face" statues??

They are protagonists statues not antagonist statues..

That is not the American side of that story to tell..



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:36 AM
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Luckily, I live in a state rich with Civil war history and our past Governor saw this #storm coming from a few miles away and fixed it.

abc11.com...

Pat McCrory, my hero.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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NO.

Some statues were relocated, other blatantly cut down. They are a memorial of our past, to remind us of our prior actions, good AND bad.
Where was the outrage during the Obummer era? a black president would have denounced them then, right?
Just people being idiots, that is all.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: network dude

The major difference between the two is that confederates are traitors who wanted to secede from the union and wanted to divide our nation. MLK was a great leader and fought for civil rights and bringing our nation together and died for that right! Why do folks that are so against the statues coming down? Go right to the MLK statue that wasn't erected until 2011! Sound like people are defending known racists and using an anti racist as fodder. Give me a break DUDE! lol



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Easy...

It's glorified a rebellion that killed oodles of US military personnel...

Which you gotta think has helped to push some of the militant anti government anarchists by providing heros who did exactly that..

They do all sport the confederate flag even...

And I don't mean influencing the racial side..

The anti government side..

The kevan mcVay's and others who have actually been terrorists..

If instead the story was told from the pov of those same figures late in life.. it's a totally different tale..

If you ask Robert E Lee to tell you the story of the civil war I can GUARANTEE you it is a cautionary tale..



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

They are called historic statues for a reason.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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Because reading a book is totally different than actually going to a battle field or a court house somewhere and reading something like this:





Man those plaques are just so horrible aren't they? Burn them all!



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:42 AM
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a reply to: network dude


And Since nobody today seems to care about WHAT MLK Jr. message actually was, we might as well remove his statues and street names too.


Here you go. One of my favorites. I've never even seen a MLK statue. Wouldn't miss one if got taken away. But if this speech disappeared from youtube, I wouldn't be able to listen to it on Martin Luther King Jr Day. Oh, that's right, I have a back up CD.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox



If they remove the statues, change all the history books and start censoring YouTube.. they are erasing history..

2 out of 3 so far.


Thats just this year, FFS.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: network dude

The major difference between the two is that confederates are traitors who wanted to secede from the union and wanted to divide our nation. MLK was a great leader and fought for civil rights and bringing our nation together and died for that right! Why do folks that are so against the statues coming down? Go right to the MLK statue that wasn't erected until 2011! Sound like people are defending known racists and using an anti racist as fodder. Give me a break DUDE! lol


Honestly, I am a big fan of MLK. But also being a fan of history as my area is rich with it, I have a conundrum. You can't make any good argument for HOW those statues hurt you, how they made you feel, yet, you have been told you need to be angry and they should come down.

MLK was about change through NON VIOLENCE, that is something nobody seems to remember. He would stand there and take whatever was said or thrown at him, and then speak of peace and love, and not just for other black men and women, but love and peace for all of humanity.

When you can explain why the statues hurt you, I'll listen, until then, I'll smile and feel a bit sorry for you.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: Arnie123

They are protagonist statues or antagonist staues..

They are hero statues on the public property of the very country they betrayed.

If you are telling that story from an American POV they are the villians.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: network dude

Easy...

It's glorified a rebellion that killed oodles of US military personnel...

Which you gotta think has helped to push some of the militant anti government anarchists by providing heros who did exactly that..

They do all sport the confederate flag even...

And I don't mean influencing the racial side..

The anti government side..

The kevan mcVay's and others who have actually been terrorists..

If instead the story was told from the pov of those same figures late in life.. it's a totally different tale..

If you ask Robert E Lee to tell you the story of the civil war I can GUARANTEE you it is a cautionary tale..


no, read my post again. Slowly this time.

How have any Civil war statues HURT YOU? Joshua S. Cox. How have they harmed you personally?



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