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BREAKING: Explosion heard in Madrid

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posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:49 AM
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Have you ever heard of Hypocrisy? My god, it's ok to set up fake Alqeda cells and attempts at domestic terror? It's ok to bomb something and blame another country or group for it? This may or may not be the case in Spain, but it happens, and we have our hands in more blood and violence than you guys seem to want to realize. Sting operations don't involve the killing of innocent people.

Edit:
Here's 759,000 web hits on Fake Terror

[edit on 9-2-2005 by twitchy]




posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:52 AM
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about ETA



Bask Separatist Movement (ETA) was founded by the militants who separated from EKIN group, in 1962. They claim that they are fighting for freedom of the Bask Region, in Spain. Since its beginning, the leftist students of the University of Madrid formed guerrilla units. Every unit is made of approximately 200 students. They adopt hit and run tactic and they combat with the police. In fact, the aim of this terrorist movement was to end Franco Regime in Spain and replace it with a socialist system, but today it aims to separate Bask from Spain and to establish a free state. The Spanish government has taken serious measurements against terrorism in Bask and by bringing the terrorist to justice, trailed them in military courts. Spanish jurisprudence convicts the terrorists with major punishments.


so,
how do we call them?
terrorists or saboteurs?
guerilla fighters or social reformers?



" . . . Why does the guerilla fighter fight? We must come to the inevitable conclusion that the guerilla fighter is a social reformer, that he takes up arms responding to the angry protest of the people against their oppressors, and that he fights in order to change the social system that keeps all his unarmed brothers in ignominy and misery."


"It is necessary to distinguish clearly between sabotage, a revolutionary and highly effective method of warfare, and terrorism, a measure that is generally ineffective and indiscriminate in its results . . ."

Ernesto Che Guevera about guerrila warfare



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:55 AM
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yeahh twitchy uhhh no.
Read what I said again please, since you obviously didnt get it the first time.
When did I support bombing a country and blaming it on someone else?
Do yourself a favor, let go of your hate for yourself, your country, and your government, stop blaming all the worlds evils on the US, and wake up to the fact that we are all (whether you want to admit it or not)are at war with some of the most evil, fanatical, and amoral people in the world.
The only thing that will win is strength, weakness only makes you a more inviting target.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:58 AM
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The french underground was labeled a terrorist organization by the Nazi political regime.

Sometimes it's preferable to be a small, hated and denounced terrorist, rather than a bloated tyrant who history will not remember so fondly.

I don't know the deal with the Basque movement, I'll say it again. What I do know is that false flag operations have been used more in the last four years than in any other time in recent history.

I guess they figured 9/11 worked so well, why not continue to adapt that model to other problems they were dealing with.

Other examples: Port Arthur, Madrid, Bali, Jakarta, London, maybe even Columbine..

There is evidence for those who are willing to pay the price for knowledge. Similarly there is truth for those who are not terrified of it.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
...and wake up to the fact that we are all (whether you want to admit it or not)are at war with some of the most evil, fanatical, and amoral people in the world.

yes i agree 100% with you!
and all these evil men are in control of the strongest country in the world!
scary fact!!!



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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Yes, W-O, I am aware that the Basque Seperatists have wanted to split from Spain. Can't blame them now, but as a kid, I didn't understand. Anyway, yes, I know about the terrorism that has been going on there.

If you remember, the former Spanish leader was with us, and then the people threw him out and elected a socialist who is against us. Then, the not-so-mythical Al-Qaeda blew a bomb, just like the dominant dog pissing in the face of the whimp dog as the whimp is rolled on his back.

No, Twitchy, I didn't really figure you to waste time with O'Reilly, it was nothing more than a wordy version of "It takes one to know one!" taunt of kindergarten days.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:02 AM
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Now souljah how many times am I going to have to prove your lack of intellgence in a public thread?
Would you like for me to embarras you again as I did with your little racism comment?
Or would you prefer to keep your fingers off the keyboard and let the adults do the talkng?



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
Now souljah how many times am I going to have to prove your lack of intellgence in a public thread?
Would you like for me to embarras you again as I did with your little racism comment?
Or would you prefer to keep your fingers off the keyboard and let the adults do the talkng?

please,
go ahead,
make my day.

especially with this "tolerant" signature of yours,
you are really scaring the sh** me:



Americans are Gods chosen people
Freedom of speech means people have the right to be as*holes
Islam is the tool of the devil, and muhhamed is a false prophet




[edit on 9-2-2005 by Souljah]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:10 AM
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Why don't you let go of some of your nationalistic blindness and realize that terrorism is something we created and brought on oursleves through decades of manipulation and deceit. We aren't at war, there was no declarations made, simply the assurances from Bush (of all people) that we are doing the right thing. Our justifications for this 'war' were proven to be false. We put these terrorists in business, armed, funded, supplied, trained, equipped, then manipulated them like chess pieces. For every action there is a reaction. Spain pulls out of Iraq, and presto, they are hit.
home.att.net...



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:11 AM
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mwm
Is it really so hard for you to keep the debate civil? I haven't observed you acting responsibly once, nor arguing well without resorting to this sort of meaningless flame. Adults? I find that hard to believe. Most of the people in the world are children who never grew up. They like being fed, being scolded, being told what to think and where to go and how to get there.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
stop blaming all the worlds evils on the US,

I think we are entitled to do so since both the US and the UK started this all, you might not admit it but its the truth!


and wake up to the fact that we are all (whether you want to admit it or not)are at war with some of the most evil, fanatical, and amoral people in the world.

That were trained and financed BY THE US!
Also we are only at war if we take offensive action!
Look at canada, is it under attack from alquida?
No, it is a model country with a "weak" military.



The only thing that will win is strength, weakness only makes you a more inviting target.

"The power to resist attack; impregnability"
Since when can attacking another country be called "resisting" attack?
You see it as strong and weak, there is no such thing as being strong or being weak....to measure weak and strong you first need an enemy. The enemy you have created is terror and we will NEVER repeat NEVER be strong enough in your eyes. This war isnt about terror its about seizeing the advantage and getting what ever you can get from this!



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:14 AM
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you left one out souljah, probably because its the truth.

Tolerance of immoralty is no virtue and intolerance of immoraltiy is no evil.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:24 AM
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Who's morality? Yours? Jimmy Swaggart's maybe? Who are we to IMPOSE morality on cultures that have exsisted for thousands of years? I hope you don't mean your sense of morality, I have read some of your pro-war garble, and it seems to me you are little more than an ethnocentric nationalist war mongerer who can't seem to be bothered with the facts. Facts, that if you took the time to do some homework, would imply that maybe, just maybe, we aren't the best ones to be delivering some grandoise sense of morality to anybody. Morality...lol Since the hell when does morality and war coexsist? Read up on the Basque group, there's more to them than meets the uneducated eye. They held accounts in Cuba, they have a long history of involvement with Mossad, etc. These people don't just fund themselves.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:31 AM
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ok,
back to the news.



MADRID (Reuters) - A car bomb exploded outside Madrid's main convention center Wednesday, injuring 39 people, after a warning from the Basque separatist group ETA.

The worst blast in the Spanish capital since last year's March 11 al Qaeda train bombings came just hours before King Juan Carlos and Mexican President Vicente Fox were to open an art fair at the complex on the outskirts of the city.

On March 11 last year, 191 people were killed in attacks on trains, days before a general election. Al Qaeda Islamist militants claimed responsibility.


looks like presidente vincente "escaped" bombs again.
or is it just a strange coincidence?

source:
reuters



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:33 AM
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Morals are only designed for use by slack jawed, idealogical automatons. Accept the fact that real men need neither your morals nor anyone elses to live their lives. I won't accept your morals, and it doesn't even matter what they are. You could share my idealogy down the center, it won't matter. You live your life, I'll live mine. Infringe on my life, I'll remove you one way or another from the equation. Intolerance of immorality is another way of saying sticking your nose in a place it don't belong.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:38 AM
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ahhh twitcy please educate me.
Please show me proof the Mossad, the CIA, the US government had anything to do with madrid, 9/11 etc.
Oh wait can't can you?
you gonna trot out the old and tired "absence of evidence line"?
You know what sometimes theres an absence of evidence because there is no evdence to find.
As for morality, well I thnk we can all agree putting bombs in train stations is immoral.
As is beheadng people who are trying to rebuild a country.
As is threatening to kill someone because they desire to participate in free elections.

Did we fund train and arm those who became our worst enemies? Yes, we comitted the horrible crime of helpng them overthrow soviet rule. Did it serve our interests as well? Of course it did, so what?
The simple fact is we did what was necessary to win the cold war, which everyone said couldn't be won.
Remeber the european reaction after Reagan's "tear down the wall speech"
They were shocked, horrified, and appaled at his "lack of tact" and his "arrogance" but it worked didn't it?
Hstory will view the War on Terror in much the same way.
merica has, for the last fifty years taken on the responsibility of meeting threates to world peace head on, in the order of the threat they pose becuase we learned the lessons of WW2, unlike europe we learned what happens when you let a little dictator get away with #.
We have taken on this responsibility because the governments of europe and the rest of the world has failed to do so.
If you dont lke the way we are handling t then why don't you get the rest of the world governments to step up to the plate.
America and her allies will bring democrcy, freedom, and self rule to those who are opressed, and death to those who threaten us.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:41 AM
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Gotta love google...
Check this one out...
www.newsmedianews.com...

www.google.com...

EDIT:
MWM... YAWN... There's plenty of evidence, I have spent almost a year on ATS providing medicene for your ignorance. Do a search for threads by me on here and open your eyes. I don't just spout rhetoric, or make claims I don't have some evidence for. I'm tired of arguing with you. But I'm especially tired of doing your homework for you.

[edit on 9-2-2005 by twitchy]



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Morals are only designed for use by slack jawed, idealogical automatons. Accept the fact that real men need neither your morals nor anyone elses to live their lives. I won't accept your morals, and it doesn't even matter what they are. You could share my idealogy down the center, it won't matter. You live your life, I'll live mine. Infringe on my life, I'll remove you one way or another from the equation. Intolerance of immorality is another way of saying sticking your nose in a place it don't belong.

Well then you just go on tolerating child abuse, murder, terrorism, rape, and genocide. I wont and neither will the bulk of Americans.



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy
Gotta love google...
Check this one out...
www.newsmedianews.com...
www.google.com...

now i see the connection!
its all clear to me now.



Freedom To The Six Basque Nationalists Imprisoned In Mexico!



posted on Feb, 9 2005 @ 05:56 AM
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Is their any symbolism in the date 2/9/05 or 9/2/05?



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