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Moving On From Civil War Statues, Leftists Destroy Christopher Columbus Monument

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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

I really hate the fact that terrible people got honored in the past and due to a sort of appeal to tradition we are supposed to keep honoring those people just because they are a part of history. Why? Just because we don't display statues to these people doesn't mean they'll be forgotten or anything. In fact, it's easier to talk about the terrible deeds these people did when you don't have to worry about cult of personalities developed by statues and memorials hyping up their image.




posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:07 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Dfairlite

I mean technically there isn't a single redeemable thing I can think of that Christopher Columbus did. Why do we honor him anyways?


It makes me wonder why this continent as well as south and central are named after Amerigo Vespucci instead of Christopher Columbus.

Both were Italian during the same time period.

What gives?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:08 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

LOL ... thank you, already caught the malapropism above.

I'm sure you're in favor of Lenin's statues though ... part of history and a part of many people's heritage, right?


Yes I am in favour of keeping them.
The main problem is that some hate groups like the KKK, Neo Nazi's and Antifa want to selectively purge others' histories and cultures. KKK and Neo Nazi's are an insignificant and tiny minority of fools, but the big problem seems to be Antifa. I'd put them up with ISIS and radical Islam as the biggest threats right now.


Glad to see you're behind honoring Bolsheviks right alongside White Supremacists!

You think ANTIFA is as big a threat as ISIS or terrorism eh? Well, we all have our opinions and beliefs, right?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:11 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Gryphon66

I really hate the fact that terrible people got honored in the past and due to a sort of appeal to tradition we are supposed to keep honoring those people just because they are a part of history. Why? Just because we don't display statues to these people doesn't mean they'll be forgotten or anything. In fact, it's easier to talk about the terrible deeds these people did when you don't have to worry about cult of personalities developed by statues and memorials hyping up their image.


Well Krazy, the only thing I can figure is that the terrible people that got honored in the past were honored FOR the terrible things they'd done, and the folks who consider that "part of their heritage" put full faith in those same terrible things today.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:19 AM
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a reply to: Terminal1
Because Columbus didn't publish his findings and thought up until his third voyage that he was visiting Asia. Vespucci, who was a bright and well educated man, knew that he discovered a new continent (S. America)
Why America was Named America

In 1507, a German cartographer, Martin Waldseemüller, chose to make a new map that included the new world. He and two scholarly partners were aware of Vespucci’s writings and were ignorant of Columbus’s expeditions. As such, they mistakenly thought Vespucci was the first to discover this new land and so named it after him, stating:

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Christopher Columbus might well have had the new world named after him, had it not been for two shortcomings. The first was that Columbus was under the mistaken impression that he had found a new route to Asia and was not aware that America was an entirely new continent. The second was that he never wrote publicly about it so the masses were not aware of his discovery. Had he done this, Mr. Waldseemüller and his colleagues might have named it Columba! As it happened, Vespucci did write about it and was the first to call this land the “Novus Mundus” (Latin for “New World”).

If anything, we should be honoring THIS guy instead of that dope Columbus. Here's some cool facts about the guy:

Christopher Columbus and Vespucci were actually good friends. Vespucci was sent to Spain in 1490 by his employers to help in their business venture of fitting out new ships. In that role, he became involved in fitting out Columbus’s fleet for his second voyage and Columbus later wrote the he trusted Vespucci and held him in very high esteem.

Vespucci was also credited for inventing a system of computing longitude. This system was so accurate that he was able to calculate the circumference of the earth, at the equator, to within 50 miles of the actual measurement.

Vespucci’s writings, while scholarly, also entertained the masses by his descriptions of the new world. For instance, he wrote in one of his letters about the natives of the land how they would have sex with anybody, including “Mom”.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Thanks for that. I should have looked that up myself but I am on my first cup of coffee and my whirlwind of a a wife just left for work. My apologies.

/raises cup of coffee to you



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Except that the Columbus narrative has become so perverted in this country that you have to actually seek out and learn his REAL history on your own despite him being a household name. Everyone thinks he was born penniless and went to Spain to charter an expedition to prove the world was round. They think his crew were near mutiny before discovering the Americas. They think that Columbus and the natives got along.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:26 AM
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a reply to: Terminal1

It's fine. I'm a history buff. So looking up these things is mutually beneficial for me too



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:38 AM
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FFS there were millions of people in the continental USA and south America when Columbus "Discovered" America!



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa
We are seeing the start of the "Year Zero" doctrine in action here in the United States.

Year Zero

The Kmer Rouge did this in 1975 in Cambodia after the end of the Vietnam War. Essentially, they paraded into the Cambodian capital Phnom Pen with chants of peace. But, it was a Trojan Horse. Once the controlled the capital, they began a series of purges, of anyone that was not Cambodian, intellectuals, and eventually anyone that disagreed. Those that lived, were then forced to attend propagandist classes where many undergo re-education on the new history, which began from that point. All history prior to that point was deemed offensive and destroyed in place of the "new history".

Let us remember this, and not repeat it. I think everyone, everywhere needs to watch the 1984 Oscar nominated film, The Killing Fields and compare the start of the Year Zero policy to what we are witness to here today, in this country.

I do hope we have time to learn from history before it is destroyed for being "offensive".



The owner of the company I work for escaped from Cambodia from that. His nephew works there too he's told me stories of what his family went through trying to escape. A lot oc his friends were executed.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: dug88

Thank you for that bit of personal confirmation. Some may see my post as "doom porn" or impossibly hyperbolic. But, it happens. It has happened, and could happen again if we are not vigilant in recognizing the signs well in advance to effect a stoppage of that movement. We are seeing the first signs of that movement now with the demonization of those that have a differing opinion (latest is accusing them of being Nazi's or Nazi sympathizers), then destruction of the history (removing and destroying statues and monuments to our collective history). If we do not keep a record of the bad and horrendous acts of the past, to be used as a learning tool for future generations, we risk repeating those bad behaviors and policies again. And, in this case, a LOT of people could die as a result of our myopic and shortsightedness.

I say to those folks making the baseless accusations here today, call me a reactionary, or a Nazi, or a drama queen all you like. But, we are heading down a dark path here, and if we do so without seeing the ultimate destination others have traveled in the past, we are just as responsible for the deaths of those future victims as if we ourselves killed them. That I refuse to be a part, and will fight and protest going down that path to my own death (if that is what it takes).
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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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Yes, there are dangerous movements on the American horizon ... proven enemies of our country and way of life.

Nazis, Neo-Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists, White Nationalists, etc.

Known hate groups with a very violent past ... terrorists that have killed Americans on American soil.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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A thread on this already
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

Yes, that is in the Mud Pit forum. As I understand it, here is not ATS T&C or forum rule there cannot be two common threads in two forums when one is not in the Mud Pit. Since the Mud Pit has different posting rules (less stringent) I see this thread as a way to discuss this topic without the mud pit slinging...in a more "rational manner" if you will.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Yes, there are dangerous movements on the American horizon ... proven enemies of our country and way of life.

Nazis, Neo-Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists, White Nationalists, etc.

Known hate groups with a very violent past ... terrorists that have killed Americans on American soil.



I agree, wholeheartedly with this post. However, let us not flippantly label others as members of those groups without actual proof shall we? Otherwise, we risk becoming not better than they in their twisted rhetoric. Disagreement does not constitute proof of membership in any group. Defense of the United States Constitution should be the goal of all Americans. Without the protections it affords, we risk a new purge amongst ourselves.

Wouldn't you agree?


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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: TimHeller
FFS there were millions of people in the continental USA and south America when Columbus "Discovered" America!



Weren't they cutting people's hearts out for fun and playing football with heads back then?

They had slaves too, I believe.

Columbus turned them all into peaceful mexicans.

Next week I'll tell ya about the history of the mongols.








posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

Yes, native american's had slaves. And were just as brutal as any southern slave owner. In fact, they brought their slaves along on the trail of tears.



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 05:47 AM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Yes, there are dangerous movements on the American horizon ... proven enemies of our country and way of life.

Nazis, Neo-Nazis, KKK, White Supremacists, White Nationalists, etc.

Known hate groups with a very violent past ... terrorists that have killed Americans on American soil.



I agree, wholeheartedly with this post. However, let us not flippantly label others as members of those groups without actual proof shall we? Otherwise, we risk becoming not better than they in their twisted rhetoric. Disagreement does not constitute proof of membership in any group. Defense of the United States Constitution should be the goal of all Americans. Without the protections it affords, we risk a new purge amongst ourselves.

Wouldn't you agree?



I agree that the Constitution is what makes us "Americans" and that if we value that status, birthright and identity, we should defend and support our Constitution in every possible way ... regardless of beliefs, party, or who we like and don't like.

Opinions vary on "flippant labels" around here, but yes, in general, unless someone identifies themselves as being part of a violent and dangerous ideology either with their own words or their own actions, it is useless to "label" anyone anything for mere rhetorical positioning.




posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 05:58 AM
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Public monuments = liberal Kryptonite



posted on Aug, 23 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Gryphon66

Except that the Columbus narrative has become so perverted in this country that you have to actually seek out and learn his REAL history on your own despite him being a household name. Everyone thinks he was born penniless and went to Spain to charter an expedition to prove the world was round. They think his crew were near mutiny before discovering the Americas. They think that Columbus and the natives got along.


The incorrect Columbus naritive is irrelevant in the hear and now. What's going to happen now is that a whole group of people who where content to not be part of this violence are going to become angry (And angry as it continues) over the "precevid" attack on their hertige. I see it happening in my imigrent community and its not a good sign.







 
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