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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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Sorry True Brit, you've proved in these last couple pages that you are a
supremacist. Not all supremacists are of the white variety. You see Nazis and white power everywhere and will use any means necessary to take care of anyone you deem to be supporting them, even those also against Nazis and racism who you lump into the collective "not my viewpoint so they must be an enemy".

Well done True Brit, Bravo.




posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

Why would I even attempt to inform you Grambler, when you are one of the ignorant piles who, despite all evidence to the contrary, still believe that the Nazis were a left wing organisation?

Theres no getting through to people who refuse to accept reality. You have no permission or right to create your own reality, but you are certainly engaged in the attempt to do so, and I know, from attempting to explain what is ACTUALLY happening in the world to you before, that the attempt was wasted on you, because you willfully refuse to accept it.

It does not make the truth any less true, it just means that your desire to engage with it is minimal, which is a situation I cannot do a damned thing about.


Right wing = limited government, individual freedom, free trade. Left wing = big government that controls or works closely with industry. limited individual rights, government control of trade, no laissez-faire capitalism. Are we matching definitions so far?

Nazi stands for National socialist - socialist being the key word. Mussolini was the first fascist and he quit the Communist party simply because he saw that people responded to appeals to country rather than the international worker. Both Italy and Germany under fascism saw their industries subjected to serve the state - end of free trade. Also the end of most individual freedoms; speech, gun ownership,political opinion etc.

It's common that people refer to Nazis as far right but they, like Communism, are far left. Both share the same traits, both are absolutist, totalitarian states that use people like worker ants and kill them off with the same lack of forethought.

Antifa and Nazis/white supremacists are flip sides of the same leftist coin or rightist coin - it doesn't matter. Their similarities far outweigh their differences. As for White supremacists is that any different than BLM? Both are racial identity politics like La Raza. One is no worse than the other.
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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

There are Trump supporters, and Trump supporters. There are those who voted for him, but have now come to understand their folly in doing so, and are pissed as hell about it, and these people pose no threat to the species what so ever, would probably be willing to be involved with the effort to clear away the disease that is fascism from the shores of their nation...

But this is not about sides. The reality is that there are good people, and there are fascists. Good people need to rise up and destroy the fascists around them, and yes, if it comes to it that the threat posed by the fascist has grown large enough or persistent enough, then those who refuse to accept fascism must stand up and eliminate its every last component, wherever they see it, because unless they do, they are accepting it. Only resistance to fascism is acceptable. Appeasement of it, timid acceptance of it through intimidation, outright embracing of it, or anything less than savage opposition, is agreement with it, which is not justifiable for any reason.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




You literally cannot defend Trump without doing exactly that.

So are you on late night on msnbc these days?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

There are Trump supporters, and Trump supporters. There are those who voted for him, but have now come to understand their folly in doing so, and are pissed as hell about it, and these people pose no threat to the species what so ever, would probably be willing to be involved with the effort to clear away the disease that is fascism from the shores of their nation...

But this is not about sides. The reality is that there are good people, and there are fascists. Good people need to rise up and destroy the fascists around them, and yes, if it comes to it that the threat posed by the fascist has grown large enough or persistent enough, then those who refuse to accept fascism must stand up and eliminate its every last component, wherever they see it, because unless they do, they are accepting it. Only resistance to fascism is acceptable. Appeasement of it, timid acceptance of it through intimidation, outright embracing of it, or anything less than savage opposition, is agreement with it, which is not justifiable for any reason.


So if Trump voters have repented, they may live. The ones who still support him are supporting fascism, and must be eliminated?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Asktheanimals,

As you must surely know by now, the actual socialists in Nazi Germany were all rounded up and either imprisoned, or executed along with the Jews and others, during the holocaust. Socialism was not part of the Nazi ethic. All the pretense to a socialist core, presented by the facade of pro-worker policies, was nothing more than a veil to prevent their actual intentions being easily read at the time. Of course, those who fought them on their own turf (who know significantly better than you, or for that matter any modern scholar) all reported the Nazi operation to be one of a far right persuasion.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: pavil

Hardly.

If it is not their view point, then they would not support Trump, who has demonstrated without the slightest question, that his loyalties are with those who fly swastikas and hate based on race and religion.

If it were any how else, he would have been all over those traitorous dogs like flies on turd, the day the Charlottesville event occurred. But no, false equivalency and fake news from him, was about the totality of his response, until he was informed that public perception of his administration would not support his lack of willingness to condemn the behaviour of the White Supremacist specifically.

Its blatant, there are no questions left to answer here. He is what he is, and support for it is support for fascism.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

I know the Nazis and Communists fought in out in the streets of Germany from the period beginning right after WW1. What I am saying is the end result government is in practice pretty much the same. Aside from labels tell me the difference between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union under Stalin?

Eta: I was taught the same thing as you in school. Left was communism, right was fascism. I disagree because one extreme should be anarchy, the other total state control.

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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

The ones who support him still, are supporting fascism.

That should, quite rightly, place them under threat.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:48 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

If the threat warrants it, yes.

Anything or anyone which supports, harbours, assists or aids the rise of the far right and the fascist element, must be opposed by whatever means are most effective at the time, proportional to the threat, up to and including all out war in the streets.

wow
all this opposition to a president of a country not of your own
no opposition to actual violence on your own streets

i used to think you thought before you posted
now not so much



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

There is no equivalent to the Soviet Union involved with this situation.

There is only an equivalent to the Nazi party of the 1930s and 40s, and the allied nations. The fascists and the Trump base occupy the same political space as the Nazis, and everyone who opposes them occupies the same political space as the allied nations.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

The ones who support him still, are supporting fascism.

That should, quite rightly, place them under threat.


Congratulations on being the first person on ATS I have seen openly call for the genocide of all supporters of a politician.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

I say the same of my own nation. Where the Nazis are visible, they must be deterred. If they become powerful, killed.

My ancestors would turn in their graves were anything else to come to pass, if they were not already because the necessity had arisen. They fought for a future in which none of this would be necessary. It is not the fault of good and reasonable people, that it may become necessary to fight the fascist once again. No good or decent person ushered this in. This second wave is the issue solely of the worst elements in society.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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people didn't learn anything from ww2 did they, so disappointing that people can't see how hitler and the nazis actually gained power, they know the why but they overlook the how and continue on doing exactly what the germans did, making the same mistake again.

we've managed to keep these groups quiet and weak by giving them a voice without cornering them, they've remained peaceful and have been moving towards reforms and opening up to change, some groups even shut down, they were moving away from hatred and starting to change because they had a voice.

this extremist hatred of them and intent to silence them will reverse the trend of change and guarantee future conflict, there was a chance but these idiots had to go and light the flame that was almost going out.

the first amendment was never about giving people freedom, it was always about preventing conflict by giving people a voice and making them feel less pressured to act out with violence and civil disorder to be heard.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Wow... you have not been paying any attention if you think I am the first. I may be the first to openly call for the elimination of all Nazi apologists, but hardly the first to call for the destruction of an entire support base. You might want to look again.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

The ones who support him still, are supporting fascism.
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Who bankrolled Hitler?

You know history so name all of Hitlers supporters 1933-1942.

Answer carefully, you are teetering on the edge of full-retard with that post comment.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




The fascists and the Trump base occupy the same political space as the Nazis, and everyone who opposes them occupies the same political space as the allied nations.

just flat out crazy
but no so far from the basket of deplorables stated around this time last year....hill is that you?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Flat out crazy? Really?

Do you know what permitted Nazism to perform the worst excesses of its outworking? A lack of lethal resistance at the time they took over, and during the occupations of the territories they possessed. They would never have been able to organise a holocaust, if their every facet was under attack from Germans who refused their rule. But far too many refused to act, refused to speak up, and then bleated horridly when Dresden was burned to a cinder, despite having allowed their government to do in their name, unspeakable things which have not been equaled since, in terms of their barbarity.

You seek to give me a moral education, while permitting the rise of genocidal maniacs who are not interested in protecting the innocent, only murdering those who have different skins and religion to theirs, arbitrary values which do not indicate the level of threat posed by an individual at all, only that they are not the same, not the right colour, fail to worship the right God....

No... No attempt that you, shooterbrody, or any other person here can make to defend your false equivalencies, can ever hold water.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: shooterbrody

Flat out crazy? Really?

Do you know what permitted Nazism to perform the worst excesses of its outworking? A lack of lethal resistance at the time they took over, and during the occupations of the territories they possessed. They would never have been able to organise a holocaust, if their every facet was under attack from Germans who refused their rule. But far too many refused to act, refused to speak up, and then bleated horridly when Dresden was burned to a cinder, despite having allowed their government to do in their name, unspeakable things which have not been equaled since, in terms of their barbarity.

You seek to give me a moral education, while permitting the rise of genocidal maniacs who are not interested in protecting the innocent, only murdering those who have different skins and religion to theirs, arbitrary values which do not indicate the level of threat posed by an individual at all, only that they are not the same, not the right colour, fail to worship the right God....

No... No attempt that you, shooterbrody, or any other person here can make to defend your false equivalencies, can ever hold water.


You have no right to criticize genocidal maniacs while you are calling for genocide.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 09:24 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Fascism is the only political movement that is branded properly from that era. Socialism, communism and anarchy are misrepresented here in the west. For example anarchy isn't about chaos. It's about personal responsibility. Communism is about responsibility to the community.







 
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