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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

You defend White Supremacists and apologists for the same.

You literally cannot defend Trump without doing exactly that. Its not my fault his behaviour has not changed your mind, that is his fault for behaving as he has, and yours for not reacting correctly to it.




posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

You defend White Supremacists and apologists for the same.

You literally cannot defend Trump without doing exactly that. Its not my fault his behaviour has not changed your mind, that is his fault for behaving as he has, and yours for not reacting correctly to it.


Oh ok got it.

You are another person that believes someone that has a different political stance than you must be defending white supremacy.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Not at all.

You could be advocating for a capitalist model (which I oppose), and I would debate you. But you aren't. You support a President who is an apologist for White Supremacists and Nazis, and therefore are not worthy of my spit, leave alone a research effort of any depth.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

Not at all.

You could be advocating for a capitalist model (which I oppose), and I would debate you. But you aren't. You support a President who is an apologist for White Supremacists and Nazis, and therefore are not worthy of my spit, leave alone a research effort of any depth.


Any comment on the videos in the OP or elsewhere in this thread, where people just like you that claim Trump supporters defend white supremacists physically attack them?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Yes. I have a comment.

Where ever one sees fascism, where ever one notes an apologist for White Supremacists, be they the President of the United States, or some random person on the street with a camera, wherever one sees racial hatred, religious intolerance, or any other manifestation of far right maliciousness, it must be crushed, burned, torn asunder and thrown to the four winds. If you respect the sacrifices made to ensure the end of the Nazi reign in Europe, if your family has veterans of that war in it, then this is a duty you hold, passed down by them, to you, whether you like it or not.

If you willingly support apologists, White Supremacy, and the far right by extension, if you would not punch a Nazi, then you are simply part of the problem, and responsible for whatever fate befalls you as such.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:03 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

Yes. I have a comment.

Where ever one sees fascism, where ever one notes an apologist for White Supremacists, be they the President of the United States, or some random person on the street with a camera, wherever one sees racial hatred, religious intolerance, or any other manifestation of far right maliciousness, it must be crushed, burned, torn asunder and thrown to the four winds. If you respect the sacrifices made to ensure the end of the Nazi reign in Europe, if your family has veterans of that war in it, then this is a duty you hold, passed down by them, to you, whether you like it or not.

If you willingly support apologists, White Supremacy, and the far right by extension, if you would not punch a Nazi, then you are simply part of the problem, and responsible for whatever fate befalls you as such.


So in other words by virtue of supporting Trump, these people deserved to be attacked.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:04 AM
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No.

But they are responsible for their actions, and the consequences of them.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:05 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

No.

But they are responsible for their actions, and the consequences of them.


So then you condemn the violent people attacking them?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:13 AM
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That depends.

If the individual in question was an apologist, of course I don't. You cannot rid a nation of White Supremacists and fascists by tutting at them, otherwise the war in Europe would have been a much less bloody affair. There is a difference between someone physically assaulting an apologist, or a fascist, or a Nazi or a White Supremacist, and one of those sorts attacking a left winger.

The difference is, the left is in the right here. This is not a black and white issue. Violence is not pleasant, but it is not inherently wrong in every way and at all times. Its wrong if you engage in it to silence dissent against White Supremacism, but not if you engage in it to destroy fascism. To destroy the supremacist, the Nazi and the fascist, is not only the right thing to do, regardless of how its done, but it is the duty of every person who owes their freedom to previous efforts in history to root out that disease from the human race once and for all.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

That depends.

If the individual in question was an apologist, of course I don't. You cannot rid a nation of White Supremacists and fascists by tutting at them, otherwise the war in Europe would have been a much less bloody affair. There is a difference between someone physically assaulting an apologist, or a fascist, or a Nazi or a White Supremacist, and one of those sorts attacking a left winger.

The difference is, the left is in the right here. This is not a black and white issue. Violence is not pleasant, but it is not inherently wrong in every way and at all times. Its wrong if you engage in it to silence dissent against White Supremacism, but not if you engage in it to destroy fascism. To destroy the supremacist, the Nazi and the fascist, is not only the right thing to do, regardless of how its done, but it is the duty of every person who owes their freedom to previous efforts in history to root out that disease from the human race once and for all.


And just to clarify, being a Trump supporter makes a person an apologist for white supremacy?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:22 AM
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Yes, recent events have confirmed that with absolute clarity, were there any doubt previously.

Your President is a fascist apologist, and support for him, is support for that apologism and the fascism it advocates for.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

Yes, recent events have confirmed that with absolute clarity, were there any doubt previously.

Your President is a fascist apologist, and support for him, is support for that apologism and the fascism it advocates for.


If you truly believe you are fighting fascism like the Nazis in WW2, is their a limit on how much violence those resisting can use?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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As the threat grows, the limitations placed on resistance to it will decrease in severity. It is, therefore, upon fascist elements to ensure they do not grow in power greatly enough, that wiping them out entirely becomes a viable and justifiable option.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

As the threat grows, the limitations placed on resistance to it will decrease in severity. It is, therefore, upon fascist elements to ensure they do not grow in power greatly enough, that wiping them out entirely becomes a viable and justifiable option.


So the more supporters trump gets, you allow for more severe violence against them?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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You are saying it wrong.

As support for Nazi, White Supremacist and fascist ideology grows, resistance to it will be necessarily less limited than it might otherwise have been. The more White Supremacist scum who put their *Heads* above the parapet, the more justifiable taking them off at the neck will be.

Its also worth pointing out, that with regard to Trump, his approval ratings are in the tank, and have been for some time.
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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 07:56 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

You are saying it wrong.

As support for Nazi, White Supremacist and fascist ideology grows, resistance to it will be necessarily less limited than it might otherwise have been. The more White Supremacist scum who put their *Heads* above the parapet, the more justifiable taking them off at the neck will be.

Its also worth pointing out, that with regard to Trump, his approval ratings are in the tank, and have been for some time.


But I just want to understand.

Trump supporters are white supremacist and fascist apologist, and if some miracle enough of them surface (says Trumps popularity surges enabling him to enact more of his policies) then you feel the amount of violence against them should increase in kind?
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posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

If the threat warrants it, yes.

Anything or anyone which supports, harbours, assists or aids the rise of the far right and the fascist element, must be opposed by whatever means are most effective at the time, proportional to the threat, up to and including all out war in the streets.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

If the threat warrants it, yes.

Anything or anyone which supports, harbours, assists or aids the rise of the far right and the fascist element, must be opposed by whatever means are most effective at the time, proportional to the threat, up to and including all out war in the streets.


But more than just war. You said there could come a point where "wiping them out entirely becomes a viable and justifiable option." And by them you mean people like Trump supporters that you say defend fascists and white supremacy.

What point would that be?



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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Here are a few examples:

If Trump gets legislation past the Senate and Congress which redefines the concept of protest or freedom of association, to bar counter-protest, the anti-fascist movement will have to go underground and adopt the guise of insurgency, for the purpose of tearing down the government and eliminating the now empowered fascist groups, wherever they are to be found.

If fascist groups become more numerous or their membership grows, or their rallies increase in size and armament, and the threat they pose therefore increases, then the anti-fascist movement will necessarily have to be more proactive in ridding areas of their fascist populations.

Any attempt to redefine what is meant by certain phrases in the constitution, on the part of a fascist led government, should cause a citizen uprising which results in the termination of the current administrations employment, and their replacement with people who oppose fascist, supremacist ideology.

Any sign that fascist, White Supremacist ideals and the ideals of their apologists, are becoming normalised in the media, or indeed in the White House, should result in civil war.

During these times, people will be expected to either punch, shoot or otherwise defeat fascism, or get out of the way.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler



Any sign that fascist, White Supremacist ideals and the ideals of their apologists, are becoming normalised in the media, or indeed in the White House, should result in civil war.

During these times, people will be expected to either punch, shoot or otherwise defeat fascism, or get out of the way.


But you already believe Trump and his supporters have normalized white supremacy. So you feel that its time to start shooting and start a civil war?

And am I reading you correctly that the purpose of one side should be the total annihilation of white supremacy, and thereby Trump supporters, who by supporting Trump are defending fascism and white supremacy.



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