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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

He may have "passive aggressively" instigated it all but the group is still responsible for how they reacted which was exactly how he wanted them to react (if he meant to instigate that is).




posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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What I got out of that is what I'd have expected. Any rational, level headed, non-hateful person is drowned out entirely by the hate from both sides and silenced. Neither side wants to hear reason, they just want to hear the own sound of their own voices and ignore any attempt at reason. That most people are rational and not involved in the hate just pisses them off. It ruins their narrative that anyone not a part of them is on the other side and they clearly cannot accept there is a third side, which includes most of us Right or Left, who are still going to work, paying the bills and keeping the place running.

Why they get so much attention is beyond me, other than for entertainment value. A new "thing" will come up, the camera's will be no longer pointed at them and they will move on to their next "thing" to spew hate and yes, I'm talking about both sides.




posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I got maybe 2 minutes into the video and couldn't keep watching and just kind of skipped through it.

The guy with the camera seems to be levelheaded and is asking for an open conversation, they just shout him down though. How disgraceful but that's mob mentality for you, the more idiots you have in close proximity together the louder and tougher they get.

My favorite part is when the one girl says their "zone" (where they were standing) was "hate free" yet she is screaming in his face the whole time.

I see a lot of people with masks on the ready as well, I wonder why that is?


Let me ask you, do yopu find it disturbing how even here on ATS people can say this guy who we both think was being quite reasonable was an agitator, and therefore this isn't a big deal?



Later on he said he had nothing to say when questioned about it. He was there only to stir up #. Any logical, thinking person sees that.


I suppose then that all of us who don't see any proof that this man as an agitator are illogical?



I was being polite. There are many worse ones I could come up with. Starting with biased.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Grimpachi

While the media is radicalizing the right Trump is radicalizing the left. It's the perfect storm and we're starting to see that this "war" between the media and Trump is really a war on the people in my opinion. It's a clear psyop and people are eating it up, as shown in this video.


People ALLOW themselves to be radicalized, whether Right, Left, Muslim ect. Shutting your ears to those you kdespise just puts you further in that self-Radicalizing bubble. You start to think that everyone agrees with you since everyone in your bubble does. Stepping into the other sides bubble bursts both sides bubbles and that, to me, is the best thing possible.
edit on 21-8-2017 by pavil because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Bostonian here.

The guy was an agitator but that's not an excuse for the behavior of that group of people. It's also not unique to one side or another. I don't know what you are looking for here but this back and forth, your side is worse really isn't much different than what these morons are doing on the streets, we're just wielding words instead of bike locks and cars.

I have no issues with people who want to protest these "Free Speech" and Unite the Right rallies because they truly are about hate... but I think there's a right way and wrong way and it's the wrong way that's getting the attention. Of course there's also the anti-left/liberal lapping it up while they baaaaahhhhhhh.

I say that because it's so ridiculously obvious even just here in our tiny little ATS bubble how threads like this go. One big circle jerk, and complete refusal to actually talk to the few of us Leftists here. We're put on defense immediately, have to denounce the same things we've been denouncing for months... and by then it's on to the next thing.


Yes both sides have extremists.

Unfortunately, saying that has led many people to be called nazi defenders or antifa defenders, etc.

The only way to have cooler heads prevail is to denounce extremist from both sides.


Yep. You'd think that would be easy, wouldn't you?



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: pavil

I agree, it's a psychological thing and most people seem to give in to "their" mind games willingly. If people would shut off the TV and stop reading all the negative news for a solid week then I think they'll come to realize that nothing has really changed all that much. People still hold doors for strangers, let them over in traffic, most people are genuinely nice and courteous, etc.

This relatively sudden media blitzkrieg on all things negative and divisive is being used to draw lines in the sand and create two radicalized "factions" fighting each other instead of the ones who are really behind it and profiting off of the madness.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Grambler



The only way to have cooler heads prevail is to denounce extremist from both sides.


Absolutely, the only problem is that a lot of people say this but do not act through on it. They say to denounce both sides but then continue only denouncing one side.

That goes for both sides and even for me sometimes.


Yes. People need to stop being so damn ugly as well as stop being in such hard core denial of their ugly people. Start calling out your own. It doesn't have to be personal or confrontational. Maybe just generic, anonymous (please protect yourself)... As a ______ I disagree that _____ is the best way to handle this.

Or

If you see good things point them out...

I dunno.


Very good point. Not only the that but you have to challenge others on your own sides to do likewise. Mob mentality eschews personal responsibility for any actions, we all need to force individuals to condemn the extremes when it happens, lest the Mob win.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I got maybe 2 minutes into the video and couldn't keep watching and just kind of skipped through it.

The guy with the camera seems to be levelheaded and is asking for an open conversation, they just shout him down though. How disgraceful but that's mob mentality for you, the more idiots you have in close proximity together the louder and tougher they get.

My favorite part is when the one girl says their "zone" (where they were standing) was "hate free" yet she is screaming in his face the whole time.

I see a lot of people with masks on the ready as well, I wonder why that is?


Let me ask you, do yopu find it disturbing how even here on ATS people can say this guy who we both think was being quite reasonable was an agitator, and therefore this isn't a big deal?



Later on he said he had nothing to say when questioned about it. He was there only to stir up #. Any logical, thinking person sees that.


I suppose then that all of us who don't see any proof that this man as an agitator are illogical?



I was being polite. There are many worse ones I could come up with. Starting with biased.


Fair enough.

I would suggest that people who claim that a person being bullied and silenced must be an agitator with zero evidence may be a bit biased themselves.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: pavil

I agree, it's a psychological thing and most people seem to give in to "their" mind games willingly. If people would shut off the TV and stop reading all the negative news for a solid week then I think they'll come to realize that nothing has really changed all that much. People still hold doors for strangers, let them over in traffic, most people are genuinely nice and courteous, etc.

This relatively sudden media blitzkrieg on all things negative and divisive is being used to draw lines in the sand and create two radicalized "factions" fighting each other instead of the ones who are really behind it and profiting off of the madness.
someone should do a study on how what forms of media cause the most Radicalization of every side. I haven't had cable TV for about a year and I don't miss it. However now I am exposed to media, thanks to Google and Facebook (thanks pricks), that steers me to bubbles and confirmation bias. I find myself heeding the ATS motto more and more.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: pavil



Ummmmm, words vs actual violence, that's the key there Kali.


Words fuel. Social media pissing contests are spilling off the screen and into the streets.



yet the majority of your side seem to look the other way when "counterprotestors" do exactly the same to Trump supporters in real life, even to the point of outright violence.


I disagree, I think it gets lost in the echo chamber.



but at least I'm willing to call out reprehensible behavior


I actually don't believe in justifying/denouncing the actions of others just because you share a commonality of some sort. If I'm conversing/debating/arguing with a person that is incapable of the minuscule amount of critical thought it takes to realize I wouldn't stand next to bike lock guy in support/resistance of anything... then I'm wasting my time.

However, it might be good at this time to tone down my urge to shutdown stupid and engage more positively, try to at least... my patience is beyond taxed right now for other reasons.



For all the supposed hatred and violence of the Right, the Left beat them at that game by a country mile.


That but. No. It is all as you have seen it, which may not truly match reality. Thus knowing that both/all sides are doing it should be enough for the rest of us to start saying cut the crap or lets talk about this.

I don't know if there's any value in talking to the racist groups or the groups 100% determined to physically clash with the racist groups... I think the best thing there is to not give them attention. Apparently they've been doing this crap for decades. We just didn't know til social media and a push to bring it to college campuses across the country.
edit on 8/21/2017 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I got maybe 2 minutes into the video and couldn't keep watching and just kind of skipped through it.

The guy with the camera seems to be levelheaded and is asking for an open conversation, they just shout him down though. How disgraceful but that's mob mentality for you, the more idiots you have in close proximity together the louder and tougher they get.

My favorite part is when the one girl says their "zone" (where they were standing) was "hate free" yet she is screaming in his face the whole time.

I see a lot of people with masks on the ready as well, I wonder why that is?


Let me ask you, do yopu find it disturbing how even here on ATS people can say this guy who we both think was being quite reasonable was an agitator, and therefore this isn't a big deal?



Later on he said he had nothing to say when questioned about it. He was there only to stir up #. Any logical, thinking person sees that.


Or he thought it might be better to let the tape do the talking?
Anyone who knows USA Miranda rights knows that.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

I've yet to have a word hurled at me hurt.
Weak minds are hurt and influenced by words of anger rather than convinced by words of reason. I do agree that words can cause the weakminded to cross into violence.

I agree with not giving the extremes of any side the time of day. The Left and the Media turned Richard Spencer and his ilk into a version of KONY. If we all would have just ignored him, he would have eventually crawled back under his rock. Look at how it has whipped up your side. Hundreds protest and 40,000 counterprotest because the media whipped them into a froth, even when there was nothing there to froth about.
edit on 21-8-2017 by pavil because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals
I have to thank Perfectenemy for posting this video in another thread but I posted it here because I think it's one of the most instructive 8 minute videos you could ever watch. I won't bother posting my opinion about it because I'm certain you will form your own. The video ends with the arrest of the guy holding the camera.

Warning: Graphic language and personally very saddening to watch.




Ummm...I know what your attempting to do here and I fully approve...Not that you need my approval...

I'm glad to see you reaching out in this fashion...there's far too much animosity controlling the conversation...
I'm at the point in this whole charade that I 'm questioning my own participation...limited as that's been...

I'm saddened by this as well...so many minds closed to the possibility that being tolerant means inclusivity...that freedoms don't require a litmus test...that such displays are a measure of pheromone dispersion and crowd mentality...
In a way...I suppose it's heady to surrender reason to the mob...

Glad I only witnessed it from afar...




YouSir



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You have to be kidding..did you never get the news that the ANC has been in power since 1994??



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 05:17 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Left wing supremacists?

What the hell are you talking about? Look, its pretty simple. Racial Supremacist thinking makes you an enemy of the entire bloody species. The left do not engage with that behaviour, therefore they are not supremacist in any fashion, merely determined that supremacists will not be permitted to attain any power or prestige for themselves, because as history shows perfectly, whenever they do it destroys continents for decades, costs millions upon millions of lives, and causes some of the most harrowing examples of suffering that have ever been recorded.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:15 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: neo96

Left wing supremacists?

What the hell are you talking about? Look, its pretty simple. Racial Supremacist thinking makes you an enemy of the entire bloody species. The left do not engage with that behaviour, therefore they are not supremacist in any fashion, merely determined that supremacists will not be permitted to attain any power or prestige for themselves, because as history shows perfectly, whenever they do it destroys continents for decades, costs millions upon millions of lives, and causes some of the most harrowing examples of suffering that have ever been recorded.



yes and what has a communist or socialist mindset lead us to.

Stalin and Mao are estimated to have killed over 100 million together and also caused some of the worst suffering humans have ever known.

But please, post you definition of left and right so we can see the left does not behave in such behavior.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:34 AM
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Why would I even attempt to inform you Grambler, when you are one of the ignorant piles who, despite all evidence to the contrary, still believe that the Nazis were a left wing organisation?

Theres no getting through to people who refuse to accept reality. You have no permission or right to create your own reality, but you are certainly engaged in the attempt to do so, and I know, from attempting to explain what is ACTUALLY happening in the world to you before, that the attempt was wasted on you, because you willfully refuse to accept it.

It does not make the truth any less true, it just means that your desire to engage with it is minimal, which is a situation I cannot do a damned thing about.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:35 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

Why would I even attempt to inform you Grambler, when you are one of the ignorant piles who, despite all evidence to the contrary, still believe that the Nazis were a left wing organisation?

Theres no getting through to people who refuse to accept reality. You have no permission or right to create your own reality, but you are certainly engaged in the attempt to do so, and I know, from attempting to explain what is ACTUALLY happening in the world to you before, that the attempt was wasted on you, because you willfully refuse to accept it.

It does not make the truth any less true, it just means that your desire to engage with it is minimal, which is a situation I cannot do a damned thing about.


Quote me saying nazis were left wing.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:39 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

Why Grambler?

Why would I waste a single further second on you, leave alone trawl the boards to provide you an example of what you already know, that you are and have been a willful apologist for the actions of the right, the attitudes of the morally inferior, the current administration in America which is undeniably a construct of the most fevered xenophobes to take control in a major world power for a generation?

You know what you are, and the only question is whether or not you can be honest with others about it.



posted on Aug, 22 2017 @ 06:43 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Grambler

Why Grambler?

Why would I waste a single further second on you, leave alone trawl the boards to provide you an example of what you already know, that you are and have been a willful apologist for the actions of the right, the attitudes of the morally inferior, the current administration in America which is undeniably a construct of the most fevered xenophobes to take control in a major world power for a generation?

You know what you are, and the only question is whether or not you can be honest with others about it.


In other words, you can't back up your claim.

I defend Trump and conservatives therefore I must think nazis are left wing?

Terrible argument.







 
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