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When you Erase the History of a Country, that history is Bound to Be Repeated.

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Lol, on what planet?!?!

Destroying books, or anchient works of art is destroying history...

No one is taking about going on private property and destroying statues..and books...

The only thing anyone with any sense has asked traitors statues be moved from GOVERNMENT property..




posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

That really shows the hypocrisy. People are suddenly so eager to educate about the horrors of history, but they want to see dapper-looking, polished soldiers and noble generals, not the disenfranchised, the mutilated, the masses who died ugly deaths and lived ugly lives. They don't want to be reminded of those things, they want to forget them.

For the record, I'm not for removing any statues. But this hypocrisy is putting me off.

Edit to add:

I can see why some of them should be moved, away from official buildings, and to stop paying for them with tax money. I mean I can see why people feel angry and insulted about that. I just the think white people from the South have a right to commemorate their history too. And tearing them down isn't good for societal peace.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How many other places in the US have statues dedicated to the losing side?

A statute teaches very little. Erasing a statue does not erase history anymore than not allowing the Ten Commandments to be put up in a classroom erases them. This is a facile argument. The knee-jerk reaction of too many non-racist conservatives and whites to protect these ignominious statues is absurd and has lead us to the equally absurd knee-jerk reaction of the left to want to eliminate statues of all former slave owners.

It is by no means illogical for black people to be offended by statues of people who nearly destroyed this country because of racism.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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The Romans had a practice called Damnatio Memoriae, 'condemnation of memory', which was literally designed to wipe out the memory of an unfavored person in an attempt to remove them from history, most commonly be defacing or destroying their statues or monuments.

Funny thing is we know high levels of detail about every person this was inflicted upon including treasonous conspirators like Sejanus, reviled Emperors like Elagabalus and military commanders.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
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So we don't forget how evil the white man can be. History is important.


Except for the fact that today left-wing movement want to instill guilt on every white person who was not part of what happened in the past.

Professors are being shamed simply for being white and told they should resign from their jobs. The past should not be used to frame people that live today.

The calls from the left, ironically even from white people, to shame and even kill white people today is an example of how racism is being used to blame people who had nothing to do with the past.

The past, and remembering the past is important. But using the past to blame "white people" would simply lead us down the same path, ethnic cleansing, occurring in many regions in Africa.

This is exactly what terrorist groups like ISIS, and the government of Sudan are doing against non-arab blacks in that nation.

Past affronts should not be used to commit atrocities today on any race, or people.






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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

How many other places in the US have statues dedicated to the losing side?

A statute teaches very little. Erasing a statue does not erase history anymore than not allowing the Ten Commandments to be put up in a classroom erases the them. This is a facile argument. The knee-jerk reaction of too many non-racist conservatives and whites to protect these ignominious statues is absurd and has lead us to the equally absurd knee-jerk reaction of the left to want to eliminate statues of all former slave owners.

It is by no means illogical for black people to be offended by statues of people who nearly destroyed this country because of racism.


It's only logical for them to be offended if the person still needs an excuse in life.

Truth hurt?



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

It was directly connected to the war.
Germany was in shambles for almost 15 years. As I said, something else came along and took advantage of the fragile state of the country.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

History had racism and that offends me.

Make history nice for me, please. Make it so I'm not offended.




posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We don't want to forget history though. The statues would be an important part of our history. You want us to forget how evil the white man was when it came to slavery? The statues wouldn't let us forget. And that's a good thing, right?

Or are you afraid of a statue?
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Said no one ever...



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: TobyFlenderson

Really, and where is it going to stop?... We are already seeing calls/action to remove or deface the statues of Washington, and even Abraham Lincoln...

OPINION | Axing Washington's statue is a slap in the face to history

Abraham Lincoln monument torched in Chicago: ‘An absolute disgraceful act’

We have also seen democrats, and many others in the left call for abolishing the electoral college, and changing the United States into a socialist nation. Calls for "destroying the borders" and giving up the U.S. sovereignty, are other calls from the left to re-write not only history, but also the future of the U.S.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

The confederacy was almost a thing in 1777. And majority of the southern states always dreamed of a tropical empire.
It wasn't just some random idea to stick it to the man, it was a bubbling stew that no-one took seriously and it over boiled when the north came crashing down on them.

So, you tell me. Was it just a fad? Because written history can tell you that secession of the south was a long over dew thing, but no one knows that because it's only in museums and history books.
By taking down all the statues it will put the confederate figures in a concrete shoes of biased history. All it will show is that there was a war, and they lost and it was 100% about slavery, nothing else.
If there was statues it goes to show that they did play a pivotal roll in american history, that they were once respected individuals from the people who fought for them. If you learn about Lee in a book, and see a statue of him, it speaks volume, for the positives and the negatives that he represented. If you just learn about Lee in a book it's just another fact about history, nothing else.

I like the idea of moving them to key locations to be honest. When I went to new Orleans about 10 years ago and saw Lee high up on a pillar like he was Trafalgar in London. It really did make me question a lot about the south. But that statue was put up in like 1870 something.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv

We don't want to forget history though. The statues would be an important part of our history. You want us to forget how evil the white man was when it came to slavery? The statues wouldn't let us forget. And that's a good thing, right?

Or are you afraid of a statue?


Point out where in the world I wrote what you are dishonestly claiming I wrote...

There is a big difference in saying white people now should not be blamed, and shamed for what happened 200 years ago to what you claimed i wrote which is a lie...



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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So you would be fine with statues depicting how evil white men were to black slaves.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:19 PM
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Well, what do you think the code will be for slave in the stock market? Im looking to build my retirement up...



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


There is a big difference in saying white people now should not be blamed, and shamed for what happened 200 years ago
...

But, going by your thread title, if we have no statues of white people in 19th century clothing whipping black folks, how will white people know not to do it?



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: kaylaluv

We don't want to forget history though. The statues would be an important part of our history. You want us to forget how evil the white man was when it came to slavery? The statues wouldn't let us forget. And that's a good thing, right?

Or are you afraid of a statue?


Point out where in the world I wrote what you are dishonestly claiming I wrote...

There is a big difference in saying white people now should not be blamed, and shamed for what happened 200 years ago to what you claimed i wrote which is a lie...




No, white people today should not be blamed nor shamed for what someone else did 200 years ago, thats like black people being mad about slavery, which hasnt existed nor have they ever been a part of it or known anyone to be... Jesis fux sake ats'ers, i thought we were better then this. Lets all just point fingers at eachother and play the blame game!!!



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So you would be fine with statues depicting how evil white men were to black slaves.


You mean like these?

African Burial Ground in New York.

African Burial Ground

Or the Richmond, Virginia. Monument to the Bateaumen

Richmond, Virginia. Monument to the Bateaumen

Slave’s heroism recognized

Or the Savannah Georgia, African American monument.

The African-American Monument near the Savannah River depicts a family after emancipation

Or the Hotel de Afrique monument Civil War era hotel for freed slaves, Graveyard of Atlantic Museum, Hatteras, Outer Banks, NC.

Hotel de Afrique monument Civil War era hotel for freed slaves, Graveyard of Atlantic Museum, Hatteras, Outer Banks, NC

Or the underground Railroad Monument at the Detroit River.

Stock Photo - Underground Railroad Monument at the Detroit River

Or what about this one.

Congo Square sculpture slaves slavery monument Adewale Adenle Louis Armstrong Park New Orleans LA Art history historical RM USA

There are many monuments, statues, pictures, and historical accounts of what happened to slaves in the United States, yet you are acting as if there were none.


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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:36 PM
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History repeats itself whether you remember it or not.
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