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Are we headed for a New Civil War? No, it's a War on History itself.

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:44 AM
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Never posted a thread in the mudpit so here we go. The removal of the statues of Roger B. Taney, Supreme Court Chief Justice who wrote the opinion deciding the Dredd Scott case is setting a very low bar for determining what is historically offensive to some. Slavery was written in to the US Constitution and the Scott case was simply ruling in support the Constitution that personal property was still property regardless of where it was. This has made him a villain of the new left despite the fact that he gave manumission to the slaves he inherited from his father and gave pensions to the older slaves. Taney made many important decisions over his long career, one which killed the Second Bank of the United States and another which extended Admiralty Law to all navigable waters within the US.

Today we have "activist" judges but in the 1800's such personal interjection in to decisions would simply not have been allowed. Strict adherence to the Constitution was still the prevalent idea of the times.

The sudden rush to remove statues such as Taney's is nothing but virtue signalling. An easy way to generate sympathetic propaganda for politicians everywhere. No wonder they are scouring the country looking for monuments to tear down - every time they do they garner more support and admiration from the Left.

I can understand the reasoning behind the Confederate statues though I may disagree but Taney wasn't even a Confederate. This means anyone who ever did anything that hurt a minority will be subject to the new wave of hysteria to whitewash history and cleanse it of all symbols that the Left wants removed. Someone has already called for a bust of Teddy Roosevelt to be taken down.

????
Where will this madness end?

Soon it will be James Polk for starting the Mexican American war, Andrew Jackson for the Indian removal and owning slaves all the way down to the founding fathers since they were slave owners or signers of a Constitution that allowed for it. 100 or more years of American history is up on the chopping block just to sarisfy the whims of the Leftists who think removing statues is somehow a productive thing to do. It isn't and all it does is further divide the country - which is the end goal the Left is being used as dupes to make happen. The Obama legacy runneth over and it wouldn't surprise me if he and Hillary weren't both secretly behind this agenda.

Damn near every public figure can be condemned by some group for some action they took.
Open season has been declared on the history of the United States.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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This is what I don't understand about the reich wing arguments...


...history...


You honestly believe people are going to tear down these statues and never speak of them again?
Thus "erasing" history?

Man, you're in lalaland...

These people, good for them by the way, are going to tear down these relics to abhorrence and celebrate it for hundreds of years...

Telling their kinfolk and grandchildren about the second victory over the Confederates for centuries to come...
It will become legend.

There is no chance of history being "erased"... at all.
& I think deep down you all know this...


So what's your legitimate fears over this, exactly?

Enlighten us libtards.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

It's getting nuts now, a definite whitewashing of history no doubt In my mind about it.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408




So what's your legitimate fears over this, exactly?


My fear is that it won't be a civil war but a race war of the White supremacist, Nazi/KKK right wing against people of color and the people that support equality.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

So you don't think it's stupid that a bunch of ignorant people whining about rights are trying to remove historic marks. Do you actually think it's a good idea and why? What next book burnings? Get real.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408


Look at Mao's cultural revolution. Iconoclasm was the method of the day, and look how great that turned out.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: ADSE255
a reply to: Hazardous1408

So you don't think it's stupid that a bunch of ignorant people whining about rights are trying to remove historic marks. Do you actually think it's a good idea and why? What next book burnings? Get real.


The old "what's next, book burning" schtick... laugh out loud...

The only book burning that was taking place was cancelled this week by a group of Nazis...

You wanna look closer to your side for the book burning.


Stupid, ignorant, whining... laugh out loud again...


Who is truly whining here?

These statues are hitting the scrap heap at a rapid rate, excelsior for that...

Who's doing the "whining" while that happens?

Certainly isn't the side who is tearing them down.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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Where will this madness end?


When the Ministry of Truth and Revisionist History eliminates all the heretics in the country.

Then there will be only one party rule, and monuments exalting their own vision of how awesome they think themselves to be.

When they took down Lee and bascially put up a woman with a raised fist.

The future looks like the Peoples Republic of China.

Those same people are currently working with big corporations(Google) censuring the net. Just like China.

They've put a pause on gun control. That will be short lived. The result will be the same as China.

Only the military and the police are allowed to have them.

It will end with the United States of Idiocracy becomes a dystopia police state made real life from Orwells instruction manual as it appears to have been.

We face a very sad, and bleek future if this stupidity does not end.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

If these statues are torn down, one part of history is indeed tore down.

And if taken to a logical conclusion there will be a continued march to remove many other things that offend.

I find it telling that these statues are not being removed by organized civil debate, they are being removed as a result violent marches, riots and piss poor local leadership. It is history, you have not to like it.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Hazardous1408


Look at Mao's cultural revolution. Iconoclasm was the method of the day, and look how great that turned out.


When the people of China decide to start tearing down Mao statues I'll be celebrating then as well.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:04 PM
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It's all attention getting for the removal of statues and marches and whatever they can stir up.

It is true that history is written by the winners but our country has come a long way to mend and blend and respect one another. It will never satisfy some who see opportunities to continue their anger.

Probably caused due to great upheavels economically and really bad present and past leadership-so it makes no sense to blame the past.

We have let the vultures sweep our government and manipulate the masses. We are in a civil war with much more than 2 sides and becoming a respectful country again may or may not be in our future. Sad times.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

You don't think statues in public places are educational?
Don't children look at these monuments and ask "why are they so important they made this giant thing"?
Monuments inspire curiosity and a sense of reverence for history.
We're being taught to hate our own history despite the fact that the very Constitution that allowed for slavery also gave us a way to end it.
It's proof that we have a system that allows for change and progress.
Destroying monuments to the past is not progress.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408




When the people of China decide to start tearing down Mao statues I'll be celebrating then as well.


What has a statue ever done to you? Nothing, you're only revelling in your own superstition.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:10 PM
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Germany even made the nazi salute illegal...
they're not erasing history, just no need to celebrate it or idolize it.

this quasi excuse is getting lame. and no, only the confederate tripe is being taken down as of this writing, the exaggeration or fear everything else will be taken down is only of 'issue' because Trump claimed so....

no other mental requests by mentalists to take down other historical figures have even been discussed seriously by any official body. this is all simply pathetic and lame indignation from the thinly veiled impartiality to darker times....

this 'threat' to history will die down in a couple of weeks



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Gotta make way for the New World Order.

Your culture is bad and you should feel bad.

Destruction of traditionalism is the goal here. Both sides are being played like fiddles and falling right into the trap. Nations are being erased to make way for globalism.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

Only Confederate tripe?
Did you read the OP?
Roger Taney was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and not a Confederate.
His statues were removed without even public debate.
Many others are being suggested as we type.
Don't kid yourself, this makes great publicity for city leaders who want to make brownie points with the left.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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You will be worthy of the spectacle.... as the spectacle is worthy of you.
While Rome burns.


www.youtube.com...

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: odzeandennz

This country isn't Germany.

For effs sake they've gone above and beyond scared of their own shadows over there.

A truly free and open society encourages different beliefs.

It's what all the evolved civilized folks do.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:18 PM
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How does removing a statue change our history or erase it?
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:20 PM
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