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A return to war, Afghanistan heats up

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:45 AM
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a reply to: Admitted

Bannons plan was to pull all the troops out, and replace them with hired mercenaries. That way Trump could claim he brought the troops home while we still maintained a presence in Afghanistan. Kelly, McMaster, and Mattis did what they could to squash that plan though. It seems to have been a major factor in Bannons departure.

The truth is, we're losing in Afghanistan right now. We either need to pull out and give the country back to the Taliban, or we need to commit more troops, dig in, and start seriously fighting another war.

The generals, unsurprisingly, want to fight. Trump wanted to retreat, or at least has said he wanted to since 2010. And that was a cornerstone of his campaign, being more isolationist and focusing on problems at home. Instead he has taken quite a globalist turn, wanting to intervene in Venezuela, and now commit more to Afghanistan.




posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Aazadan

I don't trust politicians, but I do trust General Mattis.


Mattis isn't a bad guy, but Trump seems hell bent on starting a war, he's tried with 4 different countries now. Part of me wonders if Mattis is just going to give Trump this one, because it's relatively low impact, and hope that keeps him busy enough to not start wars elsewhere around the world.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:48 AM
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Where are 'they' going to find more mercenaries??? Are there any left after ISIS™ hired ALL of those already?

I only ask because My "Soldier of Fortune" magazine subscription ran out..


Don't think ISIS™ is made up of mercs? Why else would they wear hoods and gloves? They want ALL the publicity thay can get but when it comes they hide behind hoods and wear gloves so You can't see their olive; white skin..

Edit: And run the VIN# on ALL those NEW Toyotas and I'll bet they come back through the US State Dep't. Evidently, there was more than the $6B Hillary embezzled from them (US)
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: JimNasium
a reply to: Aazadan


Where are 'they' going to find more mercenaries??? Are there any left after ISIS™ hired ALL of those already?

I only ask because My "Soldier of Fortune" magazine subscription ran out..


Don't think ISIS™ is made up of mercs? Why else would they wear hoods and gloves? They want ALL the publicity thay can get but when it comes they hide behind hoods and wear gloves so You can't see their olive; white skin..


Blackwater, or whatever they call themselves these days, was set to provide over 10,000 "soldiers" under a no bid contract in the Prince plan.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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Sounds like he may have got the letter "TALIBAN WRITES OPEN LETTER TO TRUMP, SUGGESTS HIM TO ACCEPT DEFEAT IN AFGHANISTAN " southfront.org...



On Tuesday, the Taliban released an open letter to US President Donald Trump and called on him to review the US strategy for the war in Afghanistan. The Taliban suggested the White House to hold peaceful dialogue directly with Afghans instead of engaging corrupt politicians. The open letter also suggested the US to withdraw troops from the country in order to save the lives of Americans and Afghans. The letter came amid US allegations that Russia keeps a dialogue with the Taliban and even could supply some light weapons to the movement.


It starts off

To Donald Trump, the President of the United States of America Peace be upon those who follow the guidance! Your forces have spent 16 years in our country Afghanistan and have used every means to win this war. Despite the fact that the former administration officials created a large coalition to attack our country, your 16 year military presence in Afghanistan has resulted in Afghanistan becoming the most unstable country security wise, the most corrupt administrative wise and the poorest country economically. The reason behind all this is because foreign invasion is being used to subdue the will of our proud Afghan nation, our national integrity is stripped and keys to power have been handed to individuals who are the most repulsive, wretched and hated faces in the Afghan society due to their servitude to foreigners.


Latest news is "TALIBAN INCREASES ATTACKS AGAINST GOVERNMENT FORCES ACROSS AFGHANISTAN " southfront.org...

Reports have appeared that the Taliban has once again captured Mirza Ulang village from governent forces in northern Afghanistan. Mohammad Radmanesh, deputy spokesman of the Afghan Defense Ministry, denied these reports. However, the situation in the area remains tense. The Afghan Army and security forces faced a lot of problems because of the increased number of attacks of the Taliban and ISIS across the country, especially in Jowzjan province. The Taliban is rapidly expandin in northern Afganistan and there are a chance that more villages and towns will fall in the hands of the movement soon. Jowzjan Governor released a statement saying that if army reinforcements do not arrive, four cities, including Aqcha, will soon fall. Local sources from the Cheharboolak countryside in Balakh province claimed that approximately 5000 families were displaced as a result of the Taliban activity. The Taliban is now advancing in the vicinity of Cheharboolak city.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:57 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Aazadan

I don't trust politicians, but I do trust General Mattis.





Is Afghanistan a war we can actually win? They barely control 50% of the country and Pakistan is not our Ally. As long as Pakistan is supporting the Taliban it's pointless. I don't see the Afghan Army being a decisive force even with US and NATO support. Afghanistan is a #*€πhole and they lack the will to save themselves. I see no point in being there anymore. It's not like after 16 years Afghanistan is going to get it act together and the Taliban are just going to give up. We can pound them from the air if they ever get super stupid again.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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He's making the announcement on the day of the eclipse ?
The omens don't bode well.

From the NY Times story it looks like there won't be a surge in fighting troops but more training forces deployed but as we've seen that can be a dangerous job.

It seems like more tinkering around the edges than finishing the job abandoned by George and his crew.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
Sounds like he may have got the letter "TALIBAN WRITES OPEN LETTER TO TRUMP, SUGGESTS HIM TO ACCEPT DEFEAT IN AFGHANISTAN " southfront.org...


Such a dialogue is difficult. Among the many government positions Trump can't or won't fill is the Ambassador to Afghanistan.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:03 AM
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You might find this piece interesting

The Chinese government newspaper, Global Times, made public that a Hong Kong-based company called Frontier Services Group (FSG) will build two operational bases in Northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region and Southwest China’s Yunnan Province. Xinjiang and Yunnan provinces are at the heart or geographical pivot of China’s vast, developing One Bridge, One Road high-speed rail, port and energy pipeline infrastructure undertaking. What is notable about Beijing’s engaging this FSG security company, is its chairman. journal-neo.org...


The Chairman and principal operating executive of Frontier Services Group is the world’s most notorious mercenary, Erik Prince, founder of the now-defunct Blackwater Security. In an interview with the London Financial Times, Prince recently described his work with China stating, “We’re not serving Chinese foreign policy goals, we’re helping increase trade.” He added, “China trading with its neighbors and building infrastructure brings only benefits. We’re not serving Chinese foreign policy goals, we’re helping increase trade.” Prince goes on to insist, “This is not a Chinese version of Blackwater. FSG is a logistics company; we are not a security company. None of our people have been or will be armed. But security management is certainly part of the logistics process.” Security management is euphemism for bodyguards.
Maybe Prince’s people have mastered the martial arts skills of Jason Statham who never needs firearms. Or maybe he is a liar. In either case, it’s a major event that China makes Erik Prince, ex-Navy Seal, CIA asset and co-founder of the notorious Blackwater, as guardian of its strategic New Economic Silk Road. journal-neo.org...

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:04 AM
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America is in the war business.
Contractors make fortunes from war all paid for by the American taxpayers. You should be proud to contribute to the economy by keeping $$$ in circulation.

We are a warrior nation, embrace the suck. And all you Trump conservative supporters, contribute to the home land and urge your kids to sign up for this glorious continuation of the war on terror.


www.businessinsider.com...
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:13 AM
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Since the Days of Alexander the Great there have been foreign armies in Afghanistan. When the US gives up on trying to civilise the F3cking place it will be China's turn to try and fail.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Aazadan

He's making the announcement on the day of the eclipse ?
The omens don't bode well.

From the NY Times story it looks like there won't be a surge in fighting troops but more training forces deployed but as we've seen that can be a dangerous job.

It seems like more tinkering around the edges than finishing the job abandoned by George and his crew.


That's the plan. We supply the equipment and money while they supply the manpower. We merely sit back and act as the generals and the trainers.

Remember how Vietnam started?



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 05:33 PM
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Throw in Billion$$$ raked off the top by politicians w/their hands out (both of them) and it is a recipe for $u¢¢e$$

Don't forget to mix all the mineral wealth into the crucible, too. Especially Lithium...


According to a joint report by the Pentagon, the US Geological Survey (USGS) and USAID, Afghanistan is now said to possess “previously unknown” and untapped mineral reserves, estimated authoritatively to be of the order of one trillion dollars (New York Times, U.S. Identifies Vast Mineral Riches in Afghanistan – NYTimes.com, June 14, 2010, See also BBC, 14 June 2010).

“The previously unknown deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into one of the most important mining centers in the world, the United States officials believe.

An internal Pentagon memo, for example, states that Afghanistan could become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” a key raw material in the manufacture of batteries for laptops and BlackBerrys.

Global Research

Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires but, here we go again, down that same old road again...

Americans are conditioned steeple, waiting all day to be pumped by the Don, and go along, whatever the song.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 08:46 PM
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The speech just ended.

The jist is this:

We're committing more troops, with no time table for the mission, we will stay forever if necessary.
No benchmarks for success. We stay until we feel like we've done enough to leave.
More pressure on Pakistan to combat terrorism, including possible military action from the US if Pakistan doesn't comply.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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Satire:




posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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The Afghanistan war is a war they cannot win without 100’s of thousands of troops.

Obama didn’t let them win the war when they had a huge army there of about 100,000.


It’s delusional to think adding 4000 troops will win that war. The ugly truth is you need a massive force to beat the Taliban and the US likely is not willing to do that.


I don’t see an easy solution to this




This also looks like a phony war they just are sacrificing young Americans to keep the MIC plush.

Since the US lets Pakistan support the Taliban! Figure that out
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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BRILLIANT interpretations from hippies at BERKELEY maybe or some other cloistered educational enclave that failed you in WARFARE 101.
Quit insulting OUR intelligence with how YOU ALL feel.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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Something I'm wondering myself, is that Trump seems to want a war. It doesn't seem like he really cares who the war is with as long as he gets one. He has now threatened Pakistan, Venezuela, North Korea, Syria, and finally Afghanistan. Considering Afghanistan is relatively low impact to commit to at this point, and that this plan was drawn up by Mattis who is apparently furious over trying to put out the fires Trump is starting... perhaps Trump was given this war to distract him, and keep him from messing up elsewhere.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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No Lithium and OPIUM primarily, as well as to stop troop deaths with a heavier presence after the incompetent/traitor to our country Obama tried to weaken our military in the eyes of the planet.

DOUBT they put THAT on the cellphone.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:49 PM
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Wonderful speech from President Trump tonight. I really like how he called out Pakistan for playing America for a fool. Exact same thing President Trump said on the campaign trail. Well done, Mr. President!

It further bolstered my confidence that President Trump and his Military leaders are on the right track when CNN barely mentioned the contents of what the President said. Although I would have felt even better if the CNN talking airheads had condemned the President's strategy.

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