I don't Recall the Left Denouncing Hate Crimes from Leftwing Groups...

a reply to: Gryphon66

He doesn't seem to have done too much to continue helping his own cause, despite his attempts to give lip service to him "seeing the error of his ways":

abcnews.go.com...

In the above discussion of Byrds use of a racist epithet on national TV, the head of the same NAACP states:

NAACP President Kweisi Mfume was not particularly impressed by Byrd’s apology. He telephoned The Associated Press to say the fact that Byrd felt “comfortable enough on nationwide TV to refer to any group in that manner suggests that any progress he has made on race is relative.”

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Are you appealing to the authority of ABC News ... or the NAACP?

Neither you nor I nor anyone else is a mind-reader. Who knows what Senator Byrd believed.

We know what he did in his later years, which was support legislation that benefited all races equally

Now, here's the thing, he was also a politician ... so when you get down to my BELIEF ... Byrd is the same as every politician ...a psychopathic liar.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


Now, here's the thing, he was also a politician ... so when you get down to my BELIEF ... Byrd is the same as every politician ...a psychopathic liar.

On this there is no argument whatsoever. He, like all of them, would blow wherever the winds took him. Just look at where the parties have gone. The KKK was originally a mainstay of the Democrats. Now they are public enemy #1 of the democrats. The winds have blown over the years.

And my cynicism isn't a blanket. I know that, on occasion, a "true believer" enters the mix. Someone who actually believes in the values behind the ideals they espouse. I also think that they are either pushed out or corrupted most frequently.

But my cynicism gives me a perspective that leads me to believe that the DNC only espouses its platform due to political expediency.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

May Random Chance preserve us from "true believers."

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Supporting BLM is not the same thing as supporting violence and murder.
That is like saying that supporting pro-life group is the same thing as supporting volence and murder when some guys shot up Planned Parenthood clinics.

Yes it is the same thing when BLM openly calls for the deaths of police officers and white people in general... If you support BLM, you support their calls for murdering people for being police officers, and for being white.

trying to connect dots....fail, but nice try...your last sentence is so ridiculous, it's pathetic as well as illogical, but you DO keep the hate alive for the right-wing on ATS.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Are you appealing to the authority of ABC News ... or the NAACP?

Neither you nor I nor anyone else is a mind-reader. Who knows what Senator Byrd believed.

We know what he did in his later years, which was support legislation that benefited all races equally

Now, here's the thing, he was also a politician ... so when you get down to my BELIEF ... Byrd is the same as every politician ...a psychopathic liar.

so.....because of your last sentence, I guess you and big fat furry will not be voting at all next time, right?.....

So, if were going to have a civil war again because the democrats are "GRRRR'D" again lets just get it over with. Maybe in a 150 years theyll be saying that history was taught wrong and it was actually republicans pushing for a socialist state and the democrats defended our constitutional rights...........

a reply to: jimmyx

I've voted against someone in every Presidential Election in recent years.

I'll probably be doing it again in 2020.

originally posted by: Bwomp83
So, if were going to have a civil war again because the democrats are "GRRRR'D" again lets just get it over with. Maybe in a 150 years theyll be saying that history was taught wrong and it was actually republicans pushing for a socialist state and the democrats defended our constitutional rights...........

If it happens it'll be because dimwits within our populace are easily controlled into doing it.

Consider: when Trump was elected the people were fairly well united behind the concept of overturning the government. Had Sanders not been railroaded by Clinton, the ticket would have been 2 pure outsiders (and Sanders likely would have won). The problem with that is, the folks who have power in government were VERY threatened by this, as over turning our government like that threatens the power structures already in place (as well as the grease that is placed in everyones palm).

The solution? The complete crapshow we have seen. Its far, far easier to maintain a status quo in government when the people are too busy hating each other to hate the government. And the power structure actually benefits from the erosion of liberty that can be layered over the back end of a civil war, versus the complete loss of control that a revolutionary war would bring.

Honestly....its so blatantly obvious. Its why i said that the dimwits in our country...they are the only ones who will just bilindly follow someone in a tie holding a microphone.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Are you appealing to the authority of ABC News ... or the NAACP?

Neither you nor I nor anyone else is a mind-reader. Who knows what Senator Byrd believed.

We know what he did in his later years, which was support legislation that benefited all races equally

Now, here's the thing, he was also a politician ... so when you get down to my BELIEF ... Byrd is the same as every politician ...a psychopathic liar.

so.....because of your last sentence, I guess you and big fat furry will not be voting at all next time, right?.....

I have not voted in a presidential election since 1992. After what I saw happen with Perot, it was obvious that my participation did nothing other than lend credibility to a process that has none.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Just because the (liberal) media doesn't cover it doesn't mean a majority of the US population isn't outraged and fed up with it.

I believe all the election recently indicate that.

You mean the Election where 54% of the American people voted against Trump?

Or is it that one in which 60% or so are EMBARRASSED by the man and disapprove of his Administration?

You mean that US population?

Trump won by over a million votes if you take out california. California alone was the single cause of trumping the rest of the nation's will. And we will see what turns out after the voting is investigated, in a state being a haven with sanctuary cities.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Grambler

Then there is the fact that black people are around 13% of the population, and yet are responsible for around 45% of all violent crime.

Caught & charged with 45%...
Not "responsible" for 45%...

You are not including all the crimes that go unsolved...
Or the innocent people who have been locked up...

It could never be truly gauged which race is responsible for "most" crime in any country...


& its nothing more than a racist statistic anyways, seeing as colour of skin has nothing to do with propensity to commit a crime...

That's not to say you're racist Grambler, far from it... but I do believe you have been duped into using that statistic by hose who have a nefarious agenda.


I mean, what other point would people be trying to make by saying "black people are responsible for most of the violent crimes committed"...
Think about it.

Ahhmm, we can look at the genetics associated with violence and aggression, just like those associated with height or intelligence or speed or endurance.

"Look at marathon racers, oh we can't say members of which ethnicity will come out on top!" Actually we can.


Look at the movie Doctor Strange or BlackHat. There are scenes where the characters have most members from certain countries basically reach around their waist with their heads, basically adults looking like children in terms of height. IT's genetics there are giants of intelligence and there are pygmies of intelligence.


The science of genetics continues to advance, and despite all these attempts at saying all ethnicities and sexes are equal. Despite women calling for physical tests to be lowered, for math tests to be lowered, despite 'take home' tests being given in prestigious colleges to help women, it still won't deny the evidence.

With genetic engineering, we may see an age where posthumanity is as far beyond all races as they are beyond the lesser apes in intellectual capacity. The birth of a new race of super humans, defined not by the color of their skin, but by being smarter, faster, stronger, healthier, longer lived, more beautiful, superior in all measurable measures, all other races being inferior in all measurable measures.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Bwomp83
So, if were going to have a civil war again because the democrats are "GRRRR'D" again lets just get it over with. Maybe in a 150 years theyll be saying that history was taught wrong and it was actually republicans pushing for a socialist state and the democrats defended our constitutional rights...........

If it happens it'll be because dimwits within our populace are easily controlled into doing it.

Consider: when Trump was elected the people were fairly well united behind the concept of overturning the government. Had Sanders not been railroaded by Clinton, the ticket would have been 2 pure outsiders (and Sanders likely would have won). The problem with that is, the folks who have power in government were VERY threatened by this, as over turning our government like that threatens the power structures already in place (as well as the grease that is placed in everyones palm).

The solution? The complete crapshow we have seen. Its far, far easier to maintain a status quo in government when the people are too busy hating each other to hate the government. And the power structure actually benefits from the erosion of liberty that can be layered over the back end of a civil war, versus the complete loss of control that a revolutionary war would bring.

Honestly....its so blatantly obvious. Its why i said that the dimwits in our country...they are the only ones who will just bilindly follow someone in a tie holding a microphone.

The people havent been united since 9/11 and Bush, the people of America have been divided for years, not Since Trump. The medias bogus propaganda has helped divide the people even further in this country, not Trump.

It's hard to ignore politics these days, but that's just what I plan to do. After 8 years of Obama getting a free pass, I quit democratic party. After watching republicans abandon Trump and side with democrats, I would never join republicans. Both sides totally suck in every way and both sides are equally dishonest and corrupt. It's the propaganda that I despise most, and I stopped watching TV news years ago. As a 60-something white guy, I'm focusing on my family and doing what I can to support their happiness. I stay away from people and politics, which is easier than I thought---I don't miss people spewing their hatred of white people. Don't miss hearing how much black lives matter when I grew up in Detroit. And I really don't miss people shoving their media lies down my throat. Do I still care? Yup. Just not about politics or political people.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Have you ever tried looking

Type 'Black Lives Matter denounce condemn slaying of 5 Dallas Police officers' - on 8th July alone 19,600 public denouncements against violence and murder were made by BLM/Left affiliates.

Here's the official BLM statement (even though they had absolutely nothing to do with the protest - it was organised by Next Generation Action Network and police confirmed the shooter had no affiliation with BLM or any known group.

"There are some who would use these events to stifle a movement for change and quicken the demise of a vibrant discourse on the human rights of Black Americans," the Black Lives Matter group wrote. "We should reject all of this.

"Black activists have raised the call for an end to violence, not an escalation of it. Yesterday's attack was the result of the actions of a lone gunman. To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible. We continue our efforts to bring about a better world for all of us," BLM wrote.

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It only takes a second or two to research and that one event alone had a total of 516,000 denouncements of the violence and murder from left wing groups.

Why did you not bother to look up any of your claims? There's sadly arseholes in any political spectrum (the US doesn't have a left wing, the Dems are far right, and republicans are a couple of points further to the right) stoking further fearmongering, false divisions and polarisations is only adding to the problem.



As a non-US citizen the rset of the world finds the almost cultlike US 'left' vs 'right' thing infantile - we learnt not to trust politicians long before the US even existed. Time to catch up.

a reply to: Bwomp83

No, the people all pretty much were behind throwing the government out. Were the DNC to not force Hillary onto the ticket using underhanded techniques, it would have been Bernie and Trump. The People were (and still are) angry about the lack of effective government in the US Federal government. And the past election speaks directly to that. Enough so that people jumping ship on the DNC in protest over the treatment of Bernie was relatively common.

Now...that isn't to say they were united in who they wanted elected. Only in their disdain.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Bwomp83

No, the people all pretty much were behind throwing the government out. Were the DNC to not force Hillary onto the ticket using underhanded techniques, it would have been Bernie and Trump. The People were (and still are) angry about the lack of effective government in the US Federal government. And the past election speaks directly to that. Enough so that people jumping ship on the DNC in protest over the treatment of Bernie was relatively common.

Now...that isn't to say they were united in who they wanted elected. Only in their disdain.

Idk what hole you were hiding in when Obama was in office but our country was pretty much divided by the beginning of Obama's second term. I remember watching a video with kid rock even quoting this.

originally posted by: Bwomp83

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Bwomp83

No, the people all pretty much were behind throwing the government out. Were the DNC to not force Hillary onto the ticket using underhanded techniques, it would have been Bernie and Trump. The People were (and still are) angry about the lack of effective government in the US Federal government. And the past election speaks directly to that. Enough so that people jumping ship on the DNC in protest over the treatment of Bernie was relatively common.

Now...that isn't to say they were united in who they wanted elected. Only in their disdain.

Idk what hole you were hiding in when Obama was in office but our country was pretty much divided by the beginning of Obama's second term. I remember watching a video with kid rock even quoting this.

Im not seeing where I even mentioned Obama's name?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: Bwomp83

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Bwomp83

No, the people all pretty much were behind throwing the government out. Were the DNC to not force Hillary onto the ticket using underhanded techniques, it would have been Bernie and Trump. The People were (and still are) angry about the lack of effective government in the US Federal government. And the past election speaks directly to that. Enough so that people jumping ship on the DNC in protest over the treatment of Bernie was relatively common.

Now...that isn't to say they were united in who they wanted elected. Only in their disdain.

Idk what hole you were hiding in when Obama was in office but our country was pretty much divided by the beginning of Obama's second term. I remember watching a video with kid rock even quoting this.

Im not seeing where I even mentioned Obama's name?

I said the people havent been united since 9/11 and bush... but weve been divided for years. The only other president weve had since "weve been divided for years" qoute i made, was Obama, trump hasn't even been potus for a year. Your first reply to my comment was "No" as if i were wrong. Anywho, try connecting the dots instead of me having to explain why i mentioned Obama, because ot was during his term in a nutshell...

There's a big difference between a few unhinged individuals killing police officers and a march by NAZIS! I think the hateful rhetoric online between left and right kind of cancels each other out. If you had facebook the last 8 years or so you know what I mean.

BLM and NAZIS are not comparable. Especially when you consider that BLM was started as a movement to protest police brutality and overreach against minorities. In some cities in some cases it is a problem.

NAZIS were started to kill Jews, gypsies, gays, minorities, handicapped and dispose of the bodies in giant ovens. That's a little bit different. not even close. LOL