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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 11:18 PM
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I don't have any nifty charts here, but I would like to discuss what may happen following the life-process, given what the sciences have so far said.

We may say there are two realms that exist in constant interaction: the realm of actuated reality, where physical structures evolve and change over time; and what has been called the "unified field", a state of pure-potential which seems to contain all that has ever happened in the universe.

In the popular literature, the so-called "zero point energy" is basically akin to the unified field, a name it receives based upon the fact that in absolute zero (temperature), where all subatomic activity is said to be stilled, there still remains a subtle energy, or movement, and hence, seems to be that which lies beyond 'entropy', or the dissipation of heat.

All things are two: Nothing exists outside of Interaction



The zero-point state may be the "source", but the evolving structures of physical reality are the counterpoints which the potential-to-be-real interacts with in its becoming-real. Picture a circle: the 0 point is the zero point energy, whereas the counterpoint is the expressed and actuated reality itself - the self-organized and symmetry/entropy based emergent structure of a body. These two points ceaselessly interact in the emergence of being, with information 'feeding down' into the 'zero point', and back upwards in the regeneration of the expressed reality. Information is bidirectional. New things do emerge by virtue of new interactions; but interactions that approximate a past structure some place else in the system (universe) bias interpretation and structuring, so that certain habits of expression appear again and again (for instance, all humans more or less experience variations of the same sort of dynamical conflicts/solutions).

What I really want to impress on the magical minded here is that awareness is itself an emergent function of a biodynamical system with tremendous complexity. Trees are not "aware" in the usual sense, but nevertheless exhibit awareness by pursuing its survival. Asphalt, on the other hand, may 'emerge' by virtue of being a coherently organized chemical latticework adhering to the laws of symmetry (stability), but there is no dynamical activity - no transformation of state, and so, no extension of symmetry into synchrony (a temporally extended symmetry), which is what life seems to possess vis-à-vis non-living things.

In a cell, the membrane and the internal molecular structures are caught in a point-counter point structure, so that one part (oligomers) connect to another part (membrane, which has proteins which respond to co-factors embedded therein) and in doing so, a 'swing' back and forth between one and the other is created, mediated by the dynamical transformational process of metabolism - primarily the TCA-cycle.

To be, in effect, means to be in a "dialogue". The human capacity for thought has its rudiments in the cells molecular dialectic. In the human mind, the dialectic is always based in a dialectic with affect - with the body, so that the right brain, which is densely enervated with brain-stem/bodily processes, presents an affective-cue that is then 'presented' to the linguistic thinking mind, or what we term "the ego".

Point-counterpoint is existence. Take away the point, or one side, and you literally take away all those qualities that typify what it means to be a conscious, affectively moved human being. With death, then, comes something radically unfamiliar, something which no spiritual exercises can be said to gain any access to - as a fact of law - as a fact of a reasoned analysis of what being is, how it emerges, and how, fundamentally, it is a system-event.

With death, then, comes something radically unfamiliar. The human loses his humanness, and becomes, or returns, to whatever the unified state is in itself. I cannot imagine this, and indeed, to even dare to imagine it is to engage in wishful, ulterior motives: I want, which is why I speak. Descartes Error is so unfathomably great an error, that if one speaks without thinking a motive doesn't underlie his thinking, such a person can only be said to be desperately insane: he thinks his thinking happens in a void, where his will, as it were, "floats atop" his being, "freely choosing" its choice of action, as opposed to being constrained by the external and internal contexts of his physical structuring.

No. Antonio Damasio started the torrent that will wash away all the thinking that led to Descartes dissociative error. Thinking does not happen in a void - and to think you are truly "above" your body is merely to not know that the brain can refashion itself in such a way as to dissociate affective cues that have become harmful and dangerous to the organisms functionality. Trauma underlies this thinking. Trauma 'tricks' the mind into thinking that just because it cannot 'sense' the effective-presence of Others, that it has somehow become intrinsically "above" the events around it, when this isn't even true dynamically - events can still undo a persons sociopathic sense of invulnerability. But even more so, that 'part' which feels 'above', is always, and at all times, something mediated by your physical structure: as a human being - a biosemiotic structure - the only thing you have a right to be certain about is the signs which structure you, as well as the signs you dish out for the others you effect in the world.

It seems likely, and perhaps, appropriate, that as the west 'built' up the modern world through its promothean rage, it will be China, most likely, who will bring humanity back to the truth of reality: all things are circles.





posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 05:30 AM
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a reply to: Astrocyte


What I really want to impress on the magical minded here is that awareness is itself an emergent function of a biodynamical system with tremendous complexity. Trees are not "aware" in the usual sense, but nevertheless exhibit awareness by pursuing its survival.

A tree does not pursue it's survival - a tree has no concept of anything - it knows nothing of life or death. So how could it be trying to survive?
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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Itisnowagain


Survival is innate. Plants and animals once only existed in the form of one cell, from there they evolved into multicellular life. Trees are living things and what Astrocyte parallel not only Indigenous systems of belief but are also consistent with
Carl Gustav Jung works, in relation to the Collective Unconscious.

A model that I recommend highly.

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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: Astrocyte


One way of relating to this is that there is an exacting translation of particle aspect to in equivalent its wave aspect.

So a thought pertains not only in potential to what its particle aspect makes possible.

Music break












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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:17 PM
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What I really want to impress on the magical minded here is that awareness is itself an emergent function of a biodynamical system with tremendous complexity. Trees are not "aware" in the usual sense, but nevertheless exhibit awareness by pursuing its survival. Asphalt, on the other hand, may 'emerge' by virtue of being a coherently organized chemical latticework adhering to the laws of symmetry (stability), but there is no dynamical activity - no transformation of state, and so, no extension of symmetry into synchrony (a temporally extended symmetry), which is what life seems to possess vis-à-vis non-living things.


So trees are aware? Expanding that, how is that so without another awareness interaction?



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:21 PM
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Suzanne Simard, forest ecologist at the University of British Columbia, and her colleagues have made the major discovery that trees and plants really do communicate and interact with each other. She discovered an underground web of fungi connecting the trees and plants of an ecosystem. This symbiosis enables the purposeful sharing of resources, consequently helping the whole system of trees and plants to flourish.



www.ecology.com...



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:25 PM
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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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Every seed is awakened and so is all animal life. It is through this mysterious power that we too have our being and we therefore yield to our animal neighbors the same right as ourselves, to inhabit this land.

Sitting Bull


www.pantheism.net...




posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: Astrocyte


One way of relating to this is that there is an exacting translation of particle aspect to in equivalent its wave aspect.

So a thought pertains not only in potential to what its particle aspect makes possible.

Music break
















posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 08:15 PM
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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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I just really like this one


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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:12 PM
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In matter of speaking a template that does not distinguish between particle and wave aspects.


A question being is the Circle completed in every detail?











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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 03:42 AM
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originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Survival is innate.

Life is alive. I am not pursuing my survival.

Do you believe that a tree is actually seeking 'survival'? Do you believe that a tree has any ideas about not being (not existing)?

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 06:47 AM
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Is there a belief that a tree has psychological suffering?



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Survival is innate.

Life is alive. I am not pursuing my survival.

Do you believe that a tree is actually seeking 'survival'? Do you believe that a tree has any ideas about not being (not existing)?



If you are meeting your basic needs for food, water, shelter, clothing and hygiene then you are pursuing your survival.



Parallels in other taxa

As described above in the case of a plant, similar mechanisms exist in a bacterial cell, a choanoflagellate, a fungal hypha, or a sponge, among the many other examples. All of these individual organisms of the respective taxa, despite being devoid of a brain or nervous system, are capable of sensing their immediate and momentary environment and responding accordingly. In the case of single-celled life, the sensory pathways are even more primitive in the sense that they take place on the surface of a single cell, as opposed to a network of many cells.


en.wikipedia.org...(physiology)



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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"Is there a belief that a tree has psychological suffering?"



According to researchers at the Institute for Applied Physics at the University of Bonn in Germany, plants release gases that are the equivalent of crying out in pain. Using a laser-powered microphone, researchers have picked up sound waves produced by plants releasing gases when cut or injured. Although not audible to the human ear, the secret voices of plants have revealed that cucumbers scream when they are sick, and flowers whine when their leaves are cut [source: Deutsche Welle].

There's also evidence that plants can hear themselves being eaten. Researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia found that plants understand and respond to chewing sounds made by caterpillars that are dining on them. As soon as the plants hear the noises, they respond with several defense mechanisms [source: Feinberg].


science.howstuffworks.com...



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 01:13 PM
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I am not asking if a tree feels pain - I am asking if you believe a tree can have psychological suffering.




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