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Col. Tye Seidule PhD Head of Dept Of History West Point "Was the Civil War About Slavery".. Yes

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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox

I don't think it was chattel slavery though..


A big percentage stayed with the tribe after their release..

I think their slavery was WAY closer to an indentured servant released after a set time passed.


The source I provided makes it clear that, depending on the tribe, slaves were used for labor, compensatory purposes or as a form of currency.

Slavery is slavery.




posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Native Americans also keep black slaves and some tribes held out and handing back any slaves they had. Some black folks aren't fond of them for this reasons. You also have the Seminoles in Florida who banded with escaped slaves and Freemen who fought back against the United States once they entered the Florida territory.

This is the real kicker, the last of the Native American Wars wrapped up in the 1920s.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

You mean they were arrested when they tried to initiate treason...

If they tried to have a vote on joining the rebels, then they could legally be arrested for treason.. in any culture in history..

There was NO legal or historical presidence for succession.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

You mean they were arrested when they tried to initiate treason...

If they tried to have a vote on joining the rebels, then they could legally be arrested for treason.. in any culture in history..

There was NO legal or historical presidence for succession.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:59 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Willtell

Are you claiming that slavery didn't exists in the Americas before Europeans came?


I guess you didn't read this



I don’t know the answer here



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

By know, you should have the answer them. Yay for denying ignorance!



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: dragonridr

You mean they were arrested when they tried to initiate treason...

If they tried to have a vote on joining the rebels, then they could legally be arrested for treason.. in any culture in history..

There was NO legal or historical presidence for succession.







Many people want to look for excuses or to shift blame in history. What they don't realize is its unnecessary. Times were diffrent and attitudes change. You can't judge them from our current perspective and it's foolish to attempt to do so. Slavery was not looked on like it was today it has occurred almost since mankind first started on this planet. It took growth as a species to realize we have made mistakes.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Who said slavery???

I said treason.. and for all of human history seizing a chunk of your nation and trying to create your own is treason.

If someone did that to Cyrus the great it would be treason and If someone does it today it's treason..

Racism and slavery ya gotta grade on a curve.. the average kkk member of today would likely be less racist than a pre civil war abolitionist.



Treason though is cut and dry and ANY civilization in history will arrest and usually execute you for treason and/or attempting to organize an armed rebellion.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

I think that is what has been forgotten..

It has been laid at the feet of slavery/racism, when by that measure every one sucked.. which just leads to all kinda logical fallacies which can be called out.

Lincoin didn't free the slave for morality.. it was a military strategy to send the south into confusion.

Black soldiers won emancipation by fighting for America and swinging public opinion. Not lincoin...

That's what should be remembered and as AMERICANS we should be able to come together around the fact it was treason. So to an American they are the bad guys.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 05:20 AM
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a reply to: Skeeball


Slavery became uneconomic, because of the steam engine . It might have been fought by people believing they were ending the repugnant practice, for moral reasons. But the truth is its more economic to stop housing and feeding slaves. thus saving the cost of upkeep. Now we are all debt slaves, what has changed?



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: Lucidparadox

originally posted by: pheonix358
WHy don't you all find out who threw the African people into slavery in the first place.

Try researching honest history.

P


Sorry,
You should take a few economics classes, the supply wouldnt have kept coming had there been no demand.
Nice try though

True, but wouldn't both sides be to blame?

Also on the other shoe there would be no demand if there was no supply.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCoxSo to an American they are the bad guys.


What about the Confederate soldier who did not approve of slavery, but knew the North was coming and would destroy their home?

Are they the bad guy too?



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: pheonix358

Africans themselves developed low hull boats to fights slave ships but defended their coastline fiercely from slave raids by Europeans. Nah, it doesn't fit some people's version of history that reaffirms their beliefs, carry on.

Posted on this issue before, but yeah, Europeans learnt very early on, that they couldn't just pop-up in an African village, town or city and snatch random blk ppl off the street, they learnt from the earliest caravels, that African coastal vessels, were able to meet them at sea or on the rivers board them, kill or take the crews as slaves, as happened almost everytime, the Portuguese, thereafter decided, to engage in trade, in which they came upon well established bureaucracies with a minister of trade and what not, every European powers following them took their quo from the Portuguese.

And another thing a lot of talk about tribes, eg tribe A, raided tribe B and took slaves, this is certainty not mostly the case, for in 16th century West Africa we are witnessing empire building resulting in the sale of captured combatants.
These weren't simple tribesmen but members of multi ethnic nations.
edit on 20-8-2017 by Spider879 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We were taught in grade school to refer to the colonization of America by Europrans as the New World in Mississippi schools.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We were taught in grade school to refer to the colonization of America by Europrans as the New World in Mississippi schools.


ETA. Makes you wonder why they saw the natives as savages when they were just as savage.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We were taught in grade school to refer to the colonization of America by Europrans as the New World in Mississippi schools.


ETA. Makes you wonder why they saw the natives as savages when they were just as savage.

Cultural chauvinism



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Skeeball


Slavery became uneconomic, because of the steam engine . It might have been fought by people believing they were ending the repugnant practice, for moral reasons. But the truth is its more economic to stop housing and feeding slaves. thus saving the cost of upkeep. Now we are all debt slaves, what has changed?


Thank you!


I wish people would get as riled up about our modern day debt slavery as they do over the old form of slavery that ended over 150 years ago. But people don't see the chains so they think they aren't there. People don't recognize that the modern day overseer isn't carrying a whip. He has a black helmet, black body armor, and a club; but you'll be just as dead if you disobey him.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: dragonridr

I think that is what has been forgotten..

It has been laid at the feet of slavery/racism, when by that measure every one sucked.. which just leads to all kinda logical fallacies which can be called out.

Lincoin didn't free the slave for morality.. it was a military strategy to send the south into confusion.

Black soldiers won emancipation by fighting for America and swinging public opinion. Not lincoin...

That's what should be remembered and as AMERICANS we should be able to come together around the fact it was treason. So to an American they are the bad guys.



So im guessing by your response that your for punishing those southerners. Actually the US took a different aproach. Confederate soldiers were considered Americans. And I don't know if you knew this but confederate cemeteries are controlled by the Veterans Administration.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
We were taught in grade school to refer to the colonization of America by Europrans as the New World in Mississippi schools.


Who cares what moniker you want to use for the continent of North America, slavery existed in the part the Europeans colonized prior to Europeans arriving making your statement FALSE.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No it is not false.




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