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Racists, white nationalists and Neo-nazis, oh my

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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: introvert

No I believe that men will or will not choose to rally around words and other symbols. I believe the choice is up to them.

As for Obama yes you're right. White supremacists love anything that may ruin the system, at least according to the splc.




posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 12:20 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



No I believe that men will or will not choose to rally around words and other symbols. I believe the choice is up to them.


Of course it is their choice. That does not mean that the words of their leaders do no have sway over what they choose.

In fact, those words can be very powerful.



As for Obama yes you're right. White supremacists love anything that may ruin the system, at least according to the splc.


The SPLC has very little to do with this.

It does not change the fact they were willing to take advantage of the "momentum", as you put it.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: introvert

That's exactly what it does mean. The men have sway over the words, supplying them with meaning, agreeing with them, or chooseing not to believe them. Words are passive. The point is men have power over words, not the other way around.

Of course they took advantage, just like they attempted to take advantage of Obama, or so they thought. They actually preferred Obama over McCain.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: redtic

Note how you blame him for someone else supporting him or hating him. That's like saying I'm guilty for your own feelings. I'm not sure how you can square that circle, save through sorcery.


No, I blame you for supporting him.


Supposedly because he "caters to me", and for no other reason. Of course that's something plucked from the pages of the media, and not through any other evidence.


No, that's "plucked" from his own actions and words.


I'm more of a results man myself. I like to think my leaders are mammals, and not Demi-gods capable of dividing a country like Moses would a sea.


Results man you say? And you still support Trump? Ok.


Yes. What kind of man are you? Are you lulled by speeches and media fawning?


I like to think I'm a rational and logical man - and all things being equal, I'd likely think the same of you. But unfortunately, they're not. So why *do* you maintain your support for Trump? What has he done to keep your loyalty?


My favourite thing so far is his destruction of political correctness, namely, the facade of public relations. The US was, maybe still is, one of the biggest PR firms in the world. It was there for a reason, and it is to playcate the masses.


Well, I'll not argue you about rampant political correctness - but that alone certainly is not worth the price that Trump costs us.


I think it is. Up until Trump the politicians were mere facades for vested interests. Their social media accounts were run by marketers and PR experts. Up until Trump, no one had any clue what politicians were thinking, changing their accents according to where they were at any given time.

But also the destruction of ISIS, illegal immigration, unemployment, Supreme Court nomination, the TPP, and perhaps the best of all, deregulation and the slow stripping away of the permanent bureaucracy.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 12:55 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: redtic

Note how you blame him for someone else supporting him or hating him. That's like saying I'm guilty for your own feelings. I'm not sure how you can square that circle, save through sorcery.


No, I blame you for supporting him.


Supposedly because he "caters to me", and for no other reason. Of course that's something plucked from the pages of the media, and not through any other evidence.


No, that's "plucked" from his own actions and words.


I'm more of a results man myself. I like to think my leaders are mammals, and not Demi-gods capable of dividing a country like Moses would a sea.


Results man you say? And you still support Trump? Ok.


Yes. What kind of man are you? Are you lulled by speeches and media fawning?


I like to think I'm a rational and logical man - and all things being equal, I'd likely think the same of you. But unfortunately, they're not. So why *do* you maintain your support for Trump? What has he done to keep your loyalty?


My favourite thing so far is his destruction of political correctness, namely, the facade of public relations. The US was, maybe still is, one of the biggest PR firms in the world. It was there for a reason, and it is to playcate the masses.


Well, I'll not argue you about rampant political correctness - but that alone certainly is not worth the price that Trump costs us.


I think it is. Up until Trump the politicians were mere facades for vested interests. Their social media accounts were run by marketers and PR experts. Up until Trump, no one had any clue what politicians were thinking, changing their accents according to where they were at any given time.

But also the destruction of ISIS, illegal immigration, unemployment, Supreme Court nomination, the TPP, and perhaps the best of all, deregulation and the slow stripping away of the permanent bureaucracy.


Hey, I get it - you wanted a non-politician, someone who wasn't entrenched in the system, who wasn't beholden to outside influences. But, goddamnit (pardon my french), Trump *is not that guy*! He's a buffoon, a charlatan, a flim-flam man - he's the exact opposite of what this country needs right now.... Sigh, well, I'm not going to convince you. I guess I'll just hope for the best with what we do have... while definitely preparing for the worst.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: redtic

It's best to have a man like that on our side. If we're worried about appearances, and I think many people are, then he may not be the best for the job, and we might as well roll out some other public relations puppet who serves merely to keep up with appearances. But a man with nearly half a century of leadership experience may just be the man for the job.

If by the end of his term the results are worse than anything we've ever seen, then I will gladly admit I am wrong. Until then I want to see what he can do.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He hasn't done most of the things on your list. You seem to have been swayed by words/promises just like the men listening to the general's words in introvert's example.

Seems like you are arguing what came first the general's/Trump's words or people's need to have their heartstrings plucked. Either way the end is the same.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

He hasn't done most of the things on your list. You seem to have been swayed by words/promises just like the men listening to the general's words in introvert's example.

Seems like you are arguing what came first the general's/Trump's words or people's need to have their heartstrings plucked. Either way the end is the same.


Thanks for your insight. Yawn.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:20 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Same goes for the OP.

Same argument from a year ago and yet you are crediting Trump with things he has only talked about, which actually goes against that same argument.
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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:33 AM
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Please dont insult the memory of men like those in this clip by calling the froot loop right wingers in your country NAZI's



Just like the confederacy there were courageous men in the German army history has them fighting for the wrong cause but at least they fought for a cause and went out with a bang not a whimper like the current US.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Same goes for the OP.

Same argument from a year ago and yet you are crediting Trump with things he has only talked about, which actually goes against that same argument.


Same argument? I'm sure you'll do as usual and take an argument, fill it with parenthesis of your own devising, and pass it off as mine—that is if you will ever try to prove your points.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:37 AM
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a reply to: khnum

Nazis were members of the National Socialist German Workers party. That party has been gone since Hitler.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

It's the same argument. Words are not magic and can't affect matter but somehow Trumps words are destroying "Isis, illegal immigration, unemployment, Supreme Court nomination, the TPP, and perhaps the best of all, deregulation and the slow stripping away of the permanent bureaucracy."

How, they are just words? And, most of those things have not been destroyed by his words or even his actions.
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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:03 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

I never said Trump's words are doing any of those things. This is the part where you attempt to put words in my mouth and pretend it is what I said, right on schedule. Besides, you've chosen assail a digression that has nothing to do with the topic at all.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:06 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope


I think it is. Up until Trump the politicians were mere facades for vested interests. Their social media accounts were run by marketers and PR experts. Up until Trump, no one had any clue what politicians were thinking, changing their accents according to where they were at any given time.

But also the destruction of ISIS, illegal immigration, unemployment, Supreme Court nomination, the TPP, and perhaps the best of all, deregulation and the slow stripping away of the permanent bureaucracy.


That is what it says there. You felt sure enough to post it despite Trump having done none of those things except pull the US out of the TPP. That didn't destroy it either. So that is only partially true.

He's talked about them but those are just words.


edit on 19-8-2017 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:08 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope


I think it is. Up until Trump the politicians were mere facades for vested interests. Their social media accounts were run by marketers and PR experts. Up until Trump, no one had any clue what politicians were thinking, changing their accents according to where they were at any given time.

But also the destruction of ISIS, illegal immigration, unemployment, Supreme Court nomination, the TPP, and perhaps the best of all, deregulation and the slow stripping away of the permanent bureaucracy.


That is what it says there. You felt sure enough to post it despite Trump having done none of those things except pull the US out of the TPP. That didn't destroy it either. So that is only partially true.


It's called a metaphor.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:09 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Metaphors are not real. They must be magic. Did you get all superstitious on us all of a sudden?



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 03:11 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Metaphors are not real. They must be magic. Did you get all superstitious on us all of a sudden?


Metaphors are real. You can clearly see it with your own eyes.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: redtic

Note how you blame him for someone else supporting him or hating him. That's like saying I'm guilty for your own feelings. I'm not sure how you can square that circle, save through sorcery.


No, I blame you for supporting him.


So if the OP stopped supporting Trump, things would get better?
I've seen some failed logic in my day, but nothing even close to this.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: redtic

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: redtic

Note how you blame him for someone else supporting him or hating him. That's like saying I'm guilty for your own feelings. I'm not sure how you can square that circle, save through sorcery.


No, I blame you for supporting him.


So if the OP stopped supporting Trump, things would get better?
I've seen some failed logic in my day, but nothing even close to this.


Well, then let's see if I can explain it to you. The more people that stop supporting Trump - let's say he gets down around 20% approval - the more of his own party in congress that will stop supporting him. The more people that stop supporting him in congress, the more pressure there'd be on him to resign. A man can dream.



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