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Removing the statue of Confederate hero Chief Justice Roger B. Taney

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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: NobodiesNormal

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: kurthall

...I was just pointing out Republicans are just as bad as Democrats.


you can say that all you want but these statues that you advocate the removal of are of historic democrats. Justice Roger B Taney was a democrat.

all this conflict is over republicans trying to stop democrats from removing historic statues of democrats.
really it sounds like the democrats are just ashamed of the history of their party and want to hide it. typical...


Huh? Interesting. So all of this is apparently about self hate? That's even dumber then the muh feelings excuse.




posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: NobodiesNormal

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: kurthall

...I was just pointing out Republicans are just as bad as Democrats.


you can say that all you want but these statues that you advocate the removal of are of historic democrats. Justice Roger B Taney was a democrat.

all this conflict is over republicans trying to stop democrats from removing historic statues of democrats.
really it sounds like the democrats are just ashamed of the history of their party and want to hide it. typical...


Oh please not this crap again...

History Lesson... Democratic and Republican Ideologies Undergo Dramatic Role Reversal



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: dfnj2015

Removing the statue of Confederate traitor Chief Justice Roger B. Taney

Amazes me the rabble that cry "patriot" the loudest revere & honor traitors to the very country they claim allegiance.

Sickening really.

K~


Paul Revere was a traitor, he went against his government. But since his side won, he's a hero. Most in the south who faught, did so because their home land was being invaded. But the fact that all this happend a really long time ago doesn't seem to have helped your fears of the mean old south.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu...

History, it's best left hidden so as not to upset anyone.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: Perfectenemy
Mark my words next they will erase undesirable names from history books. I know exactly where this is going.


No, the history books will put these people in context. And the story of Lee is more complex than a statue will ever be able to convey. It is the right that wants to revise history by saying the Civil War wasn't about slavery. The record of primary sources -- from many confederate state legislatures themselves -- spell out that their beef with the United States was about slavery.

Back to the statues: Art without context is just an ornament. Most of the confederate monuments went up (find your own research -- I'm sick of linking to it) in reaction to civil rights flashpoints.
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: network dude



Paul Revere was a traitor, he went against his government


OFFS, well gee if I had any allegiance to king Georgie I might be upset at Paul.

Seriously dude, that's the best dumb ass idea of an excuse to support slavers & nazis you could come up with?

Put down that covfefe, have a cup of coffee & get back to me.

K~
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:30 AM
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EDIT: REPLY TO WINDWORD

Good practice in theory but as the saying goes, "the wheel that squeaks the loudest, Is the one that gets the grease". The loudest are not the majority. The majority have real life problems like keeping a roof over their childrens' heads and that means we stay focused on priorities. In the meantime, these fringe groups that I don't want to lump in with the Democrats and Republicans will keep gaining more and more footing.

Now with that said, I'm a socially liberal fiscally conservative independent. I see things from both sides as best I can. White supremacists are a radical fringe group with opposition from both parties. The BLM and Antifa fringe groups are going unopposed because of the "you're a nazi or racist" card they play when you speak out and the politicians don't want that. I shiver to think what will happen to our nation if they continue run amok with the msm refusing to admit their wrongdoings. I wish all of them would be dealt swift justice (bean bags, tear gas, arrests) whenever any of these hate groups get violent. Just my .02
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:55 AM
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should be kept up.... it reminds us a "bad time" but also reminds us that we have come past that, and have become better



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: network dude



Paul Revere was a traitor, he went against his government


OFFS, well gee if I had any allegiance to king Georgie I might be upset at Paul.

Seriously dude, that's the best dumb ass idea of an excuse to support slavers & nazis you could come up with?

Put down that covfefe, have a cup of coffee & get back to me.

K~


I'll get back to you when you realize that nothing in my post is supporting Nazi's or slave owners. Using that dumbass tactic is why the left looks like such dip#s.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
There's no question that the left wing in this country is trying to score cheap political points by removing Confederate statues. Scoring cheap political points is why the statues were put up in place in the first place.

I have said many times on ATS that Republicans are just as bad as Democrats and if you think otherwise you are delusional. And I'm sure there are Republican voters would be physically sick if they ever voted for a Democrat in the voting booth. However, aside from all the propaganda programming that "liberals" and "Democrats" are the root cause of everything that is bad in this country, please consider the following.

Republican Governor Larry Hogan issued the following statement on 8/15/2017:



ANNAPOLIS, MD – Governor Larry Hogan today released the following statement regarding the Justice Roger B. Taney statue on the grounds of the Maryland State House:

“As I said at my inauguration, Maryland has always been a state of middle temperament, which is a guiding principle of our administration. While we cannot hide from our history – nor should we – the time has come to make clear the difference between properly acknowledging our past and glorifying the darkest chapters of our history. With that in mind, I believe removing the Justice Roger B. Taney statue from the State House grounds is the right thing to do, and we will ask the State House Trust to take that action immediately.”


Who was Justice Roger B Taney? Here is a brief history lesson:



In Dred Scott v. Sandford, a slave named Dred Scott had appealed to the Supreme Court in hopes of being granted his freedom based on his having been brought by his masters to live in free territories. The Taney Court ruled that persons of African descent could not be, nor were ever intended to be, citizens under the U.S. Constitution, and thus the plaintiff (Scott) was without legal standing to file a suit. The framers of the Constitution, Taney wrote, believed that blacks "had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and that the negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit. He was bought and sold and treated as an ordinary article of merchandise and traffic, whenever profit could be made by it."[3] The court also declared the Missouri Compromise (1820) unconstitutional, thus permitting slavery in all of the country's territories. Taney died during the final months of the American Civil War on the same day that his home state of Maryland abolished slavery.


Now let us think about this for a minute. Justice Taney ruled persons of African descent have no Constitutional rights is his greatest achievement of his life. So putting up a statue of Justice Taney on the State House grounds, when it was done, was pretty much an eff you to black people. I would love to hear some of you right winger in-bred Retardicans explain to me how a statue of someone who wanted to repeal the 13th Amendment is justified or is anything but an eff you to black people. Please explain to me why I am a closed minded left wing authoritarian communist. Thanks in advance.



The question is where do you draw the line when there is a racist history? We can do this all day.

At a minimum, the Democrat party should at least change their name since all these statues you libs are crying over are democrats. Democrat party is the party of the KKK, reconstruction, jim crow, segregation. You can't get sand in your panties over confederate statues but then ignore Democrats since it is one of the same.

Is Yale University going to change the name of their Woodrow Wilson school? You know, named after a Democrat President who invited D.W. Griffin to the White House to screen Birth of a Nation and he segregated the US government workforce.

Better yet, let's get rid of all Fulbright scholarships. You know, named after Democrat Senator William Fulbright who signed the Southern Manifestoin opposition to Brown vs Board among other things like filibustering both 64 civil rights act & 65 voting rights acts. Oh by the way, was Hillary Clinton's mentor (she gave eulogy at his funeral) and Bill Clinton also interned for.

So again, where do we draw the line?

I freely admit a lot of the statues are monuments to a divisive time in our history. But we just can't erase anything we don't like as it will never end.


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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:07 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

I kind of miss the donkey. How is your transformation coming? Can you just pretend to have different ideals and the rest will follow? Are you having any success?

As far as the statue thing is concerned, it is always the same old song and dance. It is the same moral conundrum. Are you just responsible for yourself and your thoughts or should we be able to control and censor what others think and express even when it doesn't affect another persons freewill?



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Blarneystoner

huffpost says the left can blame the right for the lefts past mistakes huh? great wisdom you've bestowed there....
the left has always been comprised of socialists and communists, it was the case when those statues where living people, and it is the case in the crowds of those tearing down said statues, it is the age old story of the democratic party devouring itself, infighting and fracturing its own party has been happening to the democrats since they began, its the party of the ouroboros,

its like autophagy....



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: Blarneystoner

huffpost says the left can blame the right for the lefts past mistakes huh? great wisdom you've bestowed there....
the left has always been comprised of socialists and communists, it was the case when those statues where living people, and it is the case in the crowds of those tearing down said statues, it is the age old story of the democratic party devouring itself, infighting and fracturing its own party has been happening to the democrats since they began, its the party of the ouroboros,

its like autophagy....


You've missed the point... "Democrat" and "Republican" are just names. Ideologies have changed over the years. Democrats were Conservative and Republicans were Liberal... or is that too confusing for you?

And I'm about to bust a gut over here... "the age old story of the democratic party devouring itself...." blah blah blah... meanwhile at the White House... the POTUS staff is like musical chairs and Pence is licking his chops.

Trying to be clever? The Uroboros is symbolic of wholeness and Infinity... DS...



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Irishhaf


This IS the Mud Pit!

Do you have a problem with the statue being removed, or not?



Everything was done according to the law, why should I care?

I am a conservative he assumed I would be outraged I am not, should they be taken away and melted down like many mouth breathers have stated chiming in with the current MSM talking point, No they should remain intact and available for those who wish to see them to do so.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Well the problem is with the name calling you showed that you have no intent on a dialogue you want people to agree with you to give you some sort of validation to your points.


Oh my God. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the opposition to you right wingers being called "communists". Don't be so sensitive. You need tougher skin. Stop whining.



Such an eloquent well presented opinion oh my, what ever will I do!

Oh yea, continue on with my day enjoy the hate fest, I spent quite a bit of time trying to get people to vote third party last election and everyone told me this election was to important, 4 years ago same thing, 8 years ago same thing, 12 years ago same thing.

Name calling will change nothing until you engage people as an equal and have a well thought out factual argument that forces them to think beyond the MSM talking points.

Until that moment you are just more noise in the chaos and nothing more.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Blarneystoner

believe whatever propaganda makes you feel better, fact remains the ideology of freeing the slaves, of freedom, is a conservative ideology,
while the behavior of treating other humans as lower with less rights deserving of less respect then your own group, has always been a liberal trait. they did it then with blacks, they do it now with republicans, alt right, anyone they can find in the streets to beat on. we see the left dressing in black with masks and carrying weapons to riot far more then any group. thats always been liberal behavior.
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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:36 PM
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so, this guy was a supreme court justice?

This makes me wonder what will happen 150 years from now when some of the laws we have now have been changed.

abortion for example, if it is made illegal again and considered murder then I guess all the politicians and supreme court justices who have defended it should be demonized and their names removed from public buildings, airports etc.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: Blarneystoner

believe whatever propaganda makes you feel better, fact remains the ideology of freeing the slaves, of freedom, is a conservative ideology,
while the behavior of treating other humans as lower with less rights deserving of less respect then your own group, has always been a liberal trait. they did it then with blacks, they do it now with republicans, alt right, anyone they can find in the streets to beat on. we see the left dressing in black with masks and carrying weapons to riot far more then any group. thats always been liberal behavior.


Nope... you got that back-ass-wards brother... The pillars of Liberal ideologies have always been equal rights and Civil liberty under the law. When you say that denying equal rights is a liberal trait, you don't sound very intelligent.

Democrats have not always been liberal and Republicans have not always been conservative. In fact, the two parties have not always been defined by their ideologies. In the past, both parties contained groups that held conservative and liberal ideologies. Only in modern times have the two parties become so polarized with regards to ideologies.

It's not propaganda.... Fox News is propaganda. You should pick up a book or two and educate yourself, public education has obviously failed you.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:12 AM
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A few points of interest about Taney who had a long and distinguished career as a jurist:


In 1833, as secretary of the Treasury, Taney ordered an end to the deposit of Federal money in the Second Bank of the United States, an act that killed the institution. Jacksonian populists believed the bank was run for the benefit of wealthy coastal elites and acted detrimentally to the interests of poorer western and southern farmers.

He inherited slaves from his father but manumitted them and gave pensions to the older ones.[2] He believed that power and liberty were extremely important and if power became too concentrated, then it posed a grave threat to individual liberty. He opposed attempts by the national government to regulate or control matters that would restrict the rights of individuals.

In 1819, he defended a Methodist minister who had been indicted for inciting slave insurrections by denouncing slavery in a camp meeting.[citation needed] In his opening argument in that case, Taney condemned slavery as "a blot on our national character."[18]

Taney's attitudes toward slavery appeared to harden in support of the institution. By the time he wrote his Dred Scott opinion in 1857, he labeled the opposition to slavery as "northern aggression",


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He also challenged correctly that Lincoln did not have the right to suspend the writ of habeas corpus.
The Dred Scott decision was based on Constitutional law which allowed the institution of slavery.
Taney is vilified for upholding the law as it was understood then.

Freed his inherited slaves decades before the Civil war? Such a horrible person!
Killed the 2nd Bank of the United States? A demon incarnate!
One decision forever blights the memory of a Supreme Court Justice who swore in 8 Presidents, more than any other Justice. He didn't move South when the war started so he wasn't even a Confederate.
This sets a very poor standard, a low bar easily crossed for what is historically "offensive"
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