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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

It can happen even with a constitution.

What you describe is a human condition and no form of government is immune to it. It is why this type of finger pointing fails. Deja vu.




posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: GreenGunther
a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

Your pretty wrong about anarchy though...
Anarchy is considered to be the purest form of democracy.

True Anarchy basically means there is no government and the people look after themselves ( it doesn't have to be about crazy destruction and loony regime changes)

In my mind Anarchy would be the way forward but humans are to selfish to keep themselves in check.


Your wrong and need to learn about anarchists. They do believe in a form of government I'll just say it's incredibly niave. Anarchy involves a community system or you could say one vote one person. Communes in the 60 could be considered anarchists.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
Yes they are of a similar authoritarian mindset, but how can it not be blindingly obvious to everyone they are textbook communists.

They call eachother comrade, they call themselves communists, they use cultural hot topics in order to affect political change, they actively try to destroy traditional values and have just kicked off your very own cultural revolution.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu


When the DNC has abandoned their principles, and allowed the GOP to become the party for the working folks...

You realize that what once was the DEMS have now become full blown socialists/communists.. and what once was the GOP, have traversed left to stake claim in what once was fertile DEM ground...

Trump is being labeled as FAR RIGHT... when he is basically a CENTRIST.....

Why do you think that Trump won? It was folks tired of the do nothing CONGRESS... the same folks who are attacking POTUS for trying to upset their honeypot applecart...

The BS identity politics is leading us into the end of the Grand Experiment... tread carefully, do some digging on history....

There is more than meets the chants... EDUCATE yourself before it's too late

Just sayin



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: GreenGunther
a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

Your pretty wrong about anarchy though...
Anarchy is considered to be the purest form of democracy.

True Anarchy basically means there is no government and the people look after themselves ( it doesn't have to be about crazy destruction and loony regime changes)

In my mind Anarchy would be the way forward but humans are to selfish to keep themselves in check.


IT's ridiculous, power concentrates and once it concentrates, guess what happens with a private army and no constitution


Exactly it leads to total chaos. Any system like this you have to take one thing into consideration. And that is human nature we have a tendency to seek power or follow power. So in a society of self rule eventually someone takes over and we call them war lords. Anarchy all ways leads to a dictator sometimes with disastrous results such as Jim jones.
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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: JacKatMtn

I think your right everything had shifted to the left. Trump was a life long Democrat then as things changed he realized he's now a republican. Trump didn't change the parties did.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

No, anarchy is the negation of authority, States, Government, monetary systems, class, all hierarchies, and societies spooks and phantasms.

depending on the theory you follow, some call for horizontal and freely associations



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: dragonridr

No, anarchy is the negation of authority, States, Government, monetary systems, class, all hierarchies, and societies spooks and phantasms.

depending on the theory you follow, some call for horizontal and freely associations


You mean like a comune? That's exactly why they were self rule with no govt authority or oversight. A society like that requires individuals to agree on everything and we'll reality is that isn't going to ever happen. This means this is the most useless form of govt ever imagined since it ceases to function the more people you add.

Free association is the cornerstone of an anarchist society.Problem is these associations will always lead to some group taking control it's human nature. That's why i always considered anarchists to be the most naive people on the planet.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Not a commune, I mean, communes could exist, but they exist now. what anarchy does is destroy authority, and societies spooks and phantasms in their head, it is for Individual Liberation



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

In THIS country alone,right, at it's farthest point philosophically, defaults to American Constitutional values.
The left protests and challenges Constitutional law and values,hence why we don't like them, that HAVE control over violent armed conflict here.
WE do.
WE like the "no war" thing OUR combat family pays for on US soil.
WE WILL NOT be victims of social, marxist,waves, in our own homes,devised by ASSHATS elected by civilians, don't poke sleeping monsters.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
In THIS country alone,right, at it's farthest point philosophically, defaults to American Constitutional values.

Not always. Besides the US Constitution is neither right or left.


The left protests and challenges Constitutional law and values,hence why we don't like them, that HAVE control over violent armed conflict here.

The possibility for change was built into the constitution. Way to go against the same document that you claim to uphold.


WE WILL NOT be victims of social, marxist,waves, in our own homes,devised by ASSHATS elected by civilians, don't poke sleeping monsters.

I keep hearing that while things continue to change.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
Communism is an authoritarian regime, and also a fascist one.

In our parlance, communists are not regarded as fascists. Look at the Spanish civil war, for instance...fascists vs communists. Authoritarian, totalitarian, but not fascist.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

WE can't shoot or harm civilians to enact our wishes ,its CRIMINAL therefore UNCONSTITUTIONAL(One would THINK by an extension of LOGICAL CRITICAL thought...)


Yes Trump got elected FINALLY a change from LAWYERS...

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

What does that have to do with what I posted?



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

LEGAL changes ..alone ,LEGAL resistance alone... are what is mean't not radicalism of any type.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
LEGAL changes ..alone ,LEGAL resistance alone... are what is mean't not radicalism of any type.

Sure, legal changes. They have been making legal changes for decades. That is what a lot of complaining, from the other side of the aisle, is about.

At the end of the day the US Constitution was designed to be changed so you can't default to a set of standard values.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:34 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

AND ...lawyers have had control...almost EXCLUSIVELY.
Hence the adaptation by Trump not reading politically.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:38 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

Trump has nothing to do with what I posted.

You were talking about constitutional values being a right wing thing but they are not.

You talked about defaulting back to constitutional values, but it was designed to change so you will never have the original version. That is just naive idealism.

Trump has nothing to do with any of that. Seems like your Hope and Change 2.0 is spilling over into other stuff.


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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 09:44 PM
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I 'm DONE translating and getting burned by wayward mods,YOU try figure it out .
The strength IS our military at its singular base which PROTECTS the documents validity, alone(vets alone are the extensions of that body and who I can ONLY really speak of as MY demographic although not all inclusive ,as MY club requires getting SHOT at aka COMBAT arms and opinions are like a certain part of the anatomy).
To change it takes a convention of states,alone and legal processes DEVISED to do so PEACEFULLY(VOTING and marching....OFF public roadways and without obstructing pedestrian traffic or commerce.,Antifa is using violent elements, institutionally ,therefore =ILLEGAL.
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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
I 'm DONE translating and getting burned by wayward mods,YOU try figure it out .

Nobody is asking you to translate anything.


The strength IS our military at its singular base which PROTECTS the documents validity, alone(vets alone are the extensions of that body and who I can ONLY really speak of as MY demographic although not all inclusive ,as MY club requires getting SHOT at aka COMBAT arms and opinions are like a certain part of the anatomy).

But you can't protect those documents from the people who have a legal right to change them.


To change it takes a convention of states,alone and legal processes DEVISED to do so PEACEFULLY(VOTING and marching....OFF public roadways and without obstructing pedestrian traffic or commerce.,Antifa is using violent elements, institutionally ,therefore =ILLEGAL.

Antifa isn't trying to change the constitution, their goal is to do away with all government, so that has nothing to do with it.

The interpretation is where people also butt heads.

In either case, you don't really have constitutional values because they don't really exist.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

As stated,not legally.
Atifa defines only antifa
I think we (as in OUR military) say it does sufficiently for us to claim our's is a Republic that leads the planet.
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