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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: jonnywhite
My point is hte political compass doesn't show the difference. It just shows the economic difference. It's missing a dimension.

That is what I was thinking after all these nazi/antifa are the real fascists threads. Obviously they can be similar in actions but but they are opposing ideals.

This leaves the idea that "if you go far enough to either side it loops around and you end up in the same place.

That only makes sense if the dimension you have is violence but anyone can be violent so that, as you said, doesn't show a difference.




posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
Yes they are of a similar authoritarian mindset, but how can it not be blindingly obvious to everyone they are textbook communists.

They call eachother comrade, they call themselves communists, they use cultural hot topics in order to affect political change, they actively try to destroy traditional values and have just kicked off your very own cultural revolution.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu

Do you know the definition of "fascist?"



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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Their actions prove otherwise...



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:29 PM
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How bout no



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:24 AM
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originally posted by: Aristotelian1

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
Yes they are of a similar authoritarian mindset, but how can it not be blindingly obvious to everyone they are textbook communists.

They call eachother comrade, they call themselves communists, they use cultural hot topics in order to affect political change, they actively try to destroy traditional values and have just kicked off your very own cultural revolution.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu

Do you know the definition of "fascist?"


Do you know the definition of anarcho-communists? Fascism might be evil and communists might fight fascists but that doesn't make them the good guys. Look who killed the most Nazis it was Stalin.also killed millions of his own people and terrorized, oppressed, enslaved, or brutalized tens of millions more. To be honest he was far worse then Hitler. But that argument can go either way. But he didn't kill Nazis out of a sense of duty or honor it was self preservation. Nazism was evil. Soviet Communism was evil. It’s fine to believe that Nazism was more evil than Communism. That doesn’t make Communism good.

Human nature thinks that if one group oposes another they must be oposits,in reality that's just not the case. Usual groups with similar beliefs tend to be the biggest battles. Look at the middle east we have has Sunni and Shia battling for centuries. The differences between the two is minor,most don't even understand the difference.

The young Communists and fascists fighting for power in the streets of 1920s Germany had far more in common with each other than they had with liberals or conservatives. This is why this thread people call anti fa Nazis. Their not but the differences can be hard to see. Mousillini was a Marxist when he became a fascist only one thing changed nationalistic pride. This is indirect contrast with Marxism where they believe in a global pride. So the difference is merely scope and scale.

Ps communists and fascists worked together unlike Germany. Reason MuesIllinI was a communist his whole lifew and only swithed because the veterans he needed to control were nationalists.
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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 02:56 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Aristotelian1

originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
Yes they are of a similar authoritarian mindset, but how can it not be blindingly obvious to everyone they are textbook communists.

They call eachother comrade, they call themselves communists, they use cultural hot topics in order to affect political change, they actively try to destroy traditional values and have just kicked off your very own cultural revolution.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu

Do you know the definition of "fascist?"


Do you know the definition of anarcho-communists? Fascism might be evil and communists might fight fascists but that doesn't make them the good guys. Look who killed the most Nazis it was Stalin.also killed millions of his own people and terrorized, oppressed, enslaved, or brutalized tens of millions more. To be honest he was far worse then Hitler. But that argument can go either way. But he didn't kill Nazis out of a sense of duty or honor it was self preservation. Nazism was evil. Soviet Communism was evil. It’s fine to believe that Nazism was more evil than Communism. That doesn’t make Communism good.

Human nature thinks that if one group oposes another they must be oposits,in reality that's just not the case. Usual groups with similar beliefs tend to be the biggest battles. Look at the middle east we have has Sunni and Shia battling for centuries. The differences between the two is minor,most don't even understand the difference.

The young Communists and fascists fighting for power in the streets of 1920s Germany had far more in common with each other than they had with liberals or conservatives. This is why this thread people call anti fa Nazis. Their not but the differences can be hard to see. Mousillini was a Marxist when he became a fascist only one thing changed nationalistic pride. This is indirect contrast with Marxism where they believe in a global pride. So the difference is merely scope and scale.

Ps communists and fascists worked together unlike Germany. Reason MuesIllinI was a communist his whole lifew and only swithed because the veterans he needed to control were nationalists.


Yay someone gets it!



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 05:24 AM
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Jesus, does it matter what they are as an ideology, what matters is what they are and that is:

Cowardly thugs
Vandals
Bullies
nasty vermin

And clearly in many cases, very uneducated about what they apparently stand for.

I'm simply fed up of seeing lawless scum running about on ANY side targetting innocents for their own gain and claiming they are doing it for some 'cause', ok the government does this but at least they don't break in to your home or stick a gun or knife in your face (awaiting torrent of claims of authority harassment).

Sorry, these are just criminals taking the piss, you notice they do the old face hide, if they were fighting for a 'cause' they would show themselves because they believe in it, these simply don't want to be picked up for criminal action. They are the same as the scum that use and empty house for a rave and then trash it simply because they can, useful society members, I think not!
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posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 07:39 AM
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a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

If it walks like a duck and it qwacks like a duck and looks like a duck odds are its a duck. you do realize serveral communist regimes became Fascist states cuba under castro is an example.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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The misconception of this thread is that Fascism is a far-right ideology when its been proven that its another brand of Communism, more or less corporate and state blended for the elite while the workers and chaff are subjected to the ruthless brand of authoritarian subjugation and rules of Communism. Farthest of far right would be anarchism. Which is what Antifa looks like on the surface but who they answer to and are funded by and support will reveal much more and its obvious. Another movement that may have started grassroots but has been co-opted, just like OWS. If they were truly anti-fascist they would be outside of Google protesting monopolization of major media or outside MSNBC protesting the state-sponsoring of propaganda and government funding of privately owned media or something to that effect.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: Dem0nc1eaner

Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Nazism. Are all exactly the same. People want to throw out "book" definitions all the time, saying they're not the same thing. But the end results prove otherwise. Anyone that has ever read the communist manifesto understands why these people cannot decide on a single "name" for the same style. One of the funniest things I ever heard, "Hitler hated communism". No, Hitler hated the competition. Anarchy is not a political thought prosses it's more of a tactic. Used by whatever regime to gain control or in some cases, maintain control...This can be done with words (press) , "peaceful marches",..blah blah and blah. It could be done just by showing up at political rallies you don't agree with just to sart trouble. So you can play the "victim" card. Just like these "antifa" people do.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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originally posted by: Dem0nc1eaner
a reply to: nowuknow

Communism starts with anarchism, always has always will.

Step 1 - Socialism - redistribute wealth with the promises of a better life for all. If you don't want a better life for all then you must be one of those fascists, right??

Step 2 - Anarchy - "oh crud, we ran out of money to redistribute and now all of these jobless, skilless buffoons that we have created want there piece of the pie".

Step 3 - Communism - "You can't fix this without the help of the state, we now own you. That is all".


Textbook Venezuela.

They are between stage 2 and stage 3 as we speak.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:46 AM
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It is seriously pathetic how uninformed almost everyone is, 'deny ignorance' but all you do is repeat some conspiracy jibberish with no facts, and when I present actual facts and truths the only response is "Muh Antifa are the real fascists



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
It is seriously pathetic how uninformed almost everyone is,...


"Everyone" but you, right????

Heh, mmm-kay.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Excellent example!






posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: smarterthanyou

As I have stated in a couple different threads, the SJW's of the left have glommed onto the word "fascist" simply because it sounds scary, and evil, and conjures up negative mental images. That's all the further their thought process and understanding goes. They have no more idea what a true 'fascist' is than they have any idea how to solve fiscal issues.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: murphy22

While I don't necessarily agree fully that all of those things are interchangeable, I do agree in general with the spirit of what you're saying.

It is a destabilization tactic orchestrated by puppet masters using the 'useful idiots' as tools, pawns, to play out their game.



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
It is seriously pathetic how uninformed almost everyone is,...


"Everyone" but you, right????

Heh, mmm-kay.


But... still... open up a book and stop bull#ting the kids with spam?

The "lefts" equivalent for fascism, and I'm reaching here, would be somewhat like Stalinism. Or the Khmer Rouge, which messed with ethnic cleansing like the true fascists they were. And that, my friend, is a factual contribution to our topic at hand.

It's kinda rude to have us ignore actual history for a partisans narrative sake, which fits very narrow perspectives only. Care to put something up?



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:20 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

About these topics yes,



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

No one is denying that Stalin, Lenin, Mao etc were authoritarians, and that is a point no one seems to get,



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

I just took a couple minutes to go back and read every one of your responses on this thread. I guess my conclusion is, I don't understand where you're coming from on this topic.

Are you for, or against, antifa?

Or, are you merely debating whether antifa are fascists or not?

What is your position?


... Care to put something up?


I already did...

Here

I think it's pretty clear where I stand on the matter.


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