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I would not be surprised if Russia is behind the recent instability in the US

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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 07:25 AM
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No i would blame the MSM,the liberal pc nonsense,the culture of "professional victimhood" and the blaming of evil whitey for anything under the sun,and moon for that matter.The endless accusations of Nazi and racist and this or that-phobic for disagreeing with the left,for even wanting your country's borders secure and all immigration legal.Also eight years of Obama and Michelle,The most racially divisive prez and first lady.

Not Russia,or any other country has to lift a finger.You are destroying yourselves from within just fine.
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

In fact, Kim Jong called off his attack on America because he wants to see if we do ourselves in.


Source please???



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: majesticgent
Russia blamed the US for what happened in Ukraine where former the pro-Russian Ukranian President, Viktor Yanukovich, was removed. Before this, there was lots of protesting and instability in the Ukraine. Russia was highly suspicious of the newly formed government and suspected that the US propped up this new government and that the proceedings were illegal.


Nah.....we had nothing to do with the color revolutions in Eastern Europe, don't be silly. We would NEVER interfere in another country's political process. Take your blinders off.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 08:11 AM
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I don't think that it's stupidity. I think that it is by a very complex plan that we are in the trouble that we are in. a reply to: seagull



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Raxoxane

and your from..... South Africa??

why do I get the feeling that you are basing your judgements simply by what you are hearing on fox news and other far right media outlets? they are just as guilty as msn and have probably been playing the game long before msn was!! long before obama came into office. Rush Limbaugh was blaming the feminists for every ill in this country before bush 2 I think! and the christains seem to be the number one class playing victims in this country..
bush and his conservative following before the bankers blew up the ecoconomy...
compassionate conservatism
let's have a religious crusade
no, no, we can't close our borders to protect from the evil terrorists, but let's expose our own citizens to dangerous radiation every time they have to get on a plane.
outsourcing is good!!!!
bankers blow the economy....and...so...
let's start up the printing presses and give those bankers enough money to save their arses, let's make good on all those crap loans they made!!
obama---
oh crap, look at this mess I have to clean up... some how...
look how much the crusades are costing us, have end the wars....somehow....
look at all the people getting laid off because the banks aren't lending money to anyone, have to create jobs.....somehow....
look at how the republicans at standing against everything I am trying to do... got to get this country moving again... somehow!!!
look at how the people are getting restless, blaming each other, blaming congress, blaming obama, unhappy as all hell.... with no way to gain back that which they lost when those danged bankers blew up our economy and showed the world just how trustworthy our economy really is!!!

and trump comes in, riding the wave of discontent, choosing a side in the blame game to gain the votes, actually encourages his followers to be violent in some of his rallies, and wins the day!!!

we've been losing the battle since the banks blew the economy. our economy has been fake mirage ever since, it is failing to serve far too many people, and the conservatives are far from compassionate!!!
the people are angry blaming each other while the bankers are running our country and filling our pockets!!!

but, oh ya, it's all the fault of the little feminists, the gays who just wanted to be respected, the blacks who have been discriminated against since time began, the native american who just want to protect their (and everyone else's) drinking water, the little town who thought that they had the right to self govern when it came to a danged statue!!!

tell me, have you ever been to the US even???



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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: majesticgent
Russia blamed the US for what happened in Ukraine where former the pro-Russian Ukranian President, Viktor Yanukovich, was removed. Before this, there was lots of protesting and instability in the Ukraine. Russia was highly suspicious of the newly formed government and suspected that the US propped up this new government and that the proceedings were illegal.


Nah.....we had nothing to do with the color revolutions in Eastern Europe, don't be silly. We would NEVER interfere in another country's political process. Take your blinders off.


Sarcasm? You should mark that somehow or I think you really are that oblivious.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 09:38 AM
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George Soros is to blame, in my opinion. I have no sources to back up that belief, but that man scares the heck out of me.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: DupontDeux
Politics and policies are fairly stable

For all intents and purposes it's business as usual.
All there is is media sensationalism and twitter-outrage.


Politics are fairly stable? Mmm I could see your point, as a whole for the most part it is, but the republican party is not, and surely the presidency isn't. With all of the checks and balances in place just those two being shaky prevent the entire from collapsing in on itself.

As far as your second point, it blends well into my first one. The media is really hamming this one up as if they're almost trying to cause a conflict. Why this time? Something seems off about these recent events than some of the ones in the past.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:22 AM
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I like the replies that I've seen, both those that agree and disagree with Russia having somewhat of a hand in what's going on now.

I think some are getting confused to what the theory is though. I'm not saying that Russia is solely to blame for what's going on now, but they could taken advantage of a tense situation ready to explode. I mean, it does not go without precedent. The FBI took the Blank Panther organization very seriously, and would even go so far to say that they were being used by the Soviets to topple the US from within because of their communist views.


Notwithstanding the social services the Black Panther Party provided, the FBI declared the group a communist organization and an enemy of the U.S. government. Hoover had pledged that 1969 would be the last year of the Black Panther Party and devoted the resources of the FBI, through COINTELPRO, toward that end. In a protracted program against the Black Panther Party, COINTELPRO used agent provocateurs, sabotage, misinformation, and lethal force to eviscerate the national organization. The FBI’s campaign culminated in December 1969 with a five-hour police shoot-out at the Southern California headquarters of the Black Panther Party and an Illinois state police raid in which Chicago Black Panther leader Fred Hampton was killed. The measures employed by the FBI were so extreme that, years later when they were revealed, the director of the agency publicly apologized for “wrongful uses of power.”

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Let's say that the FBI's and Hoover's fears were true; does this not fall right into the theory of a possible outside influence today? For example, these Confederate statues and emblems have been around for many years, now all of a sudden there is a push that all of them are being removed? People have been overt and blatantly racist and prejudiced for many years, now all of a sudden they are being terminated for their views?

All I'm saying is, if you're Russia and are displeased with the way the US is establishing its foreign policies that you strongly disagree with, you can cause some turmoil domestically so that the foreign policy becomes second to trying to fix your own nation. That way you can now subvert this policy with your own and make political gains. After all, the days of large-scale armed conflict will soon be coming to an end, and it will be all about proxy, trade, economic, and political conflicts are fought with unconventional means; Hence this theory.
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: JanAmosComenius

Putin's Rasputin. Yeah, from what I hear you are right, he isn't a real player. Which is good to know. But like you said, some of his thoughts strike a chord with the chauvinism, and revisionism of the "good old days" when Stalin was going strong.

I haven't read the Brzezinski book, maybe I should. I'm not going to pretend that the West is innocent, there's so much wrong, but things could be even worse. It bothers me that some people (I don't mean you) refuse to see any hint of meddling from Russia, or even choose to idolize them.

How many here have worried about Obama or Trump refusing to step down? Just let me remind them that Vladimir Putin has been president or prime minister of Russia continuously since 1999. In that year Clinton was still president in the US and Seinfeld had barely ended, on TV.

I don't hate Putin either. I think he's smart, and I honestly think he loves his country. But he's a KGB man, for God's sake. People are
very justified in their suspicions, even if Brzezinski and America have fought dirty wars. We can condemn those wars, and still be mindful of the hybrid wars being fought right now, as we speak.

a reply to: Raxoxane
I think Russia is taking advantage of that freedom of speech, it's easy to create chaos. I really wish the left would tone it down actually, when it comes to some things. Thing's are pretty good already, compared to the rest of the world, so can I 100% understand it when people see them as hypocrites and troublemakers, even though I agree with many of the ideals.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 02:51 PM
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It isn't in Russia's interest to totally destabilise the U.S.

The U.S. and Russia need each other more than the average person is aware of.

However if either country decided to completely destabilise one another they could in very short order.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 04:14 PM
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originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: JanAmosComenius

Putin's Rasputin. Yeah, from what I hear you are right, he isn't a real player. Which is good to know. But like you said, some of his thoughts strike a chord with the chauvinism, and revisionism of the "good old days" when Stalin was going strong.


If you read through the book, you will find a surprising amount of the recommendations have already taken place. Every thing from Brexit, interference in Turkey and hacking US elections..

A marginalized player or not, someone in Russia is taking this playbook seriously.
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posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: clay2 baraka

Hm, it's not a pleasant thought. H was ousted from his university position in 2014, a sign of some sanity. But that doesn't really matter if his ideas are still current. And let's not forget about those generals who helped write the book, nothing fringe about them.

I happen to live in one of the countries he marked down for annexation. Makes you think.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Yes i am South African,my bad i didn't realise that meant i cannot comment on American topics.Do you also apply this standard to members from Australia,the UK,etc..or does the fact that i am South African irritate you especially? And no i do not watch Fox news,or any other MSM,i'm not an idiot,i don't even have a TV.I have no problem with gay people.I also don't have a problem with Any decent,sane,unbigoted,sensible people.I stand by every word i wrote in my post.



posted on Aug, 18 2017 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: majesticgent

Definitely op. Here's a link posted by member clay2baraka that explains it well. Couple that with the fact that there are strong ties between Russia and U.S. neo Nazi groups and it's beyond obvious. Now with Bannon going back to Breitbart to crank up the propaganda machine - since their collusion with the administration is being so heavily investigated and, well, there you have it. But, alas, many ATS members are less CT oriented than they once were. They are victims of the propaganda and don't even realize it.

en.m.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 10:56 AM
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I would be more inclined to believe the NWO is behind it. They are the ones wanting to divide America so they can take over.a reply to: majesticgent



posted on Aug, 19 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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I would be surprised. It seems to be the Democrats.



posted on Aug, 25 2017 @ 04:26 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the recent instability in the US is directly caused by the EU. The rumors of an imminent assassination of Trump are also caused by the EU and I wouldn't be surprised if the EU had tried and failed to organize the assassination of Putin for more than 10 times during the past 6 years.
Additionally I wouldn't be surprised if the EU spread this baloney that former Russian ambassador to the US was a spy.




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